Why do babies without names die?

Why is it that infants who never recieve a name, title, or nickname, die shortly after birth? What’s so special about a name?

Also, why are people who never learn a form of communication unable to produce thoughts?

kan all boys and ladies argue repeatedly in actually naming stuff
(can you figure out the secret URL that will answer the question?)

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Is this spam?

www.kabalarians.com ?

Have I been whooshed? Does this belong in GQ?

Enquiring minds wanna know.

Is it your question based on an assumption that unamed babies, in fact, die more frequently than named babies? If so, you are going to have to cite some supporting statistics to that effect, before anybody could venture an opinion on this supposed mystery. I, for one, don’t believe that your assumption is correct. The burden is on you to prove that it is credible.

While you’re at it, how about a cite for this one too.

Haj

The Kabalarian Philosophy organization.
They have been around for 70 years, unlocking the mysteries of the world. Kinda like Straight Dope, only older. Where they got their information from is beyond me, but I know that they wouldn’t say it without knowing its true.

Now that we’ve established that, I’d like to know some answers (without searching through Kabalarians for the answer)

It makes sense that unnamed babies die at a higher rate than named ones.

If a baby is born dead or dies soon after birth, it would have a much higher rate of being unnamed. It also stand to reason that a baby with a name would get more nurturing than a baby whose parents couldn’t be bothered to name it.

I’ve got no cites for this. It’s just a gut feeling.

How long could you operate without naming the child? As it grows up?

“Hey, bring the baby over here.” “What?” “Sorry, the toddler.” “Oh, alright.”

Do you expect us to accept that as a cite? No, we want something a bit more substantial than just a name and a rather limited description. How about a link to their site? A bit more information about their history? You’ll find people around here very helpful, but rather unwilling to be jerked around by people who claim affiliation with groups unknown.

I, too, doubt the foundation of both of your questions. I don’t think babies without names die more often than named infants, and I don’t think people who lack language lack thought. Since your questions are based on faulty assumptions, they cannot be answered. (Chinese has the word mu, which denies the foundation of the question and declares it meaningless. It would be quite apropo here.)

Despite this rather odd introduction, the SDMB is willing to help you. Give us a little more to work with and we’ll amaze you. We just can’t do anything with what’s in this thread.

Biggirl: That is confusing cause and effect. If the baby dies before it can be named, it didn’t die because it wasn’t named. Your suspicion makes sense, but it isn’t what the OP was after.

It might, however, be what the OP will have to settle for.

I think what Biggirl is basically saying is that the OP has confused cause and effect on this issue. I’m thinking the same thing myself.

I agree with Biggirl. In fact, I’m mad that she got to say it first since it’s the truth, but sounds like double-talk. :stuck_out_tongue:

As to the second question:

:wally [SUP]Now make a thought out of that![/SUP]

On my father’s side, children get their names when they are two-ish. Since I have a father, must not be fatal, huh? Not a real site, but I think it’s about as reliable as the OP.

It appears that Eleusis did find the “magic URL”.

It also appears that TerryW needs to have a few things explained. Allow mw to do the honors:

Welcome to the SDMB, TerryW. Make yourself at home, have a look around, see if there’s anything you like. OOH! check out the FAQ’s, there’s lots of good stuff there. Oh, and the Forum Descriptions are real nice, too.

'Cause it looks like you’re trying to get into metaphysical questions with your OP. That generally fits best in the Great Debates forum, rather than GQ. But be warned: any time you post an assertion over there, you will be asked to back up your assertion with evidence supporting its validity. And yes, that does also go for questions that are worded in such a way that they demand certain assertions be accepted to make it possible to consider the questions.

Now if you’d like to modify your question to make it fit GQ, here’s a suggestion for its wording:

How do Kabalarians arrive at the conclusion that babies without names die?

Or even, to put the horse before the cart:

Do Kabalarians hold as a fundamental tenet that babies without names die?

But once again, welcome. I hope you turn out to be one of our bright lights of ignorance eradication.

The tone of this post, and the fact that you did not initially mention the KPO, makes me lean heavily towards spam.

The KPO got their information by thoroughly misunderstanding Kabalah(Jewish mysticism) in general and Gemmatria(sacred numerology) in particular. Their ideas on names and balance are about as accurate as Winter’s Phi Theory.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. “I didn’t give baby a name, and so he died.”

You FIEND ! The baby inspectors would never have let that happen :smiley:

A check of a local birth & death database, with about a year and a half’s worth of data shows about 1/3 (actual numbers: 105/319) of the newborns were not given a name by the time the announcement appeared in the paper.

It could be a local thing. But doesn’t this seem like a lot of kids without names at birth? Do people nowadays really wait until after the kid is born to think of names?

Years ago, when the newborn’s sex was unknown, I seem to recall most parents had at least two names ready to go way before the blessed event.

And if the OP’s supposition is true, we should have an increased infant mortality. AFAIK, 1/3 of the locally-born babies do not show up in subsequent obituaries.

sigh

I can see that I’d need to get a quote from the Brittanica ditionary or a quote from a scientist before you people would believe that babies who don’t recieve any form of name would die because of it… so nevermind. If you can’t trust Kabalarians, or go to their website (www.kabalarians.com) to find out for yourself, then I don’t know how you could trust some dead scientist.

The fact of the matter is that I already know the answer to the question, and I just wanted to see if you could all figure it out. But, naturally, I didn’t know how complicated the teeming millions love to make things.

Here is a small excerpt from one of the Newletters I got from Kabalarians:

“The one thing that separates humankind from the animal kingdom is mind, which has the ability to reason on a conscious level. To think consciously, we must use language…”

As to the babies dying without a name, I can’t find it at the moment.

Is it always this difficult for someone to ask a question?

These people charge $195 to give your kid a “balanced” name. If there are any un-named dopers out there, I’ll supply a name at the bargain price of only $19.95. And call within the next 10 minutes and I’ll include a middle initial absolutely free! Hurry! Call now operators are standing by!