I don’t hate her. I’ve long thought she’s the smartest, ballsiest, most caring and capable federal public servant in the US. That is before Obama.
So in comparison Michelle Obama is not a strong woman, which is why even though her her husband is in the same party she’s received 1/10th of the scorn Hillary did in by mid-1993? Sure.
There’s been strong, and then there’s being outright abrasive. Just like with men, there’s being cocky and definitive, and being an overweening douchebag. She simply rubs people the wrong way because of her personality flaws.
Michelle Obama gets the same demonization from right wingers that Hillary got.
You have made the most rational argument here. I applaud you.
Without them, you’d be hearing even more snark about her ankles. :rolleyes:
Don’t forget her unpleasant voice. Oh no, it reminds me of a primary school teacher I didn’t like!
There are perfectly valid reasons for disliking her as a politician. Unless she’s hurt many, many people personally, I can’t help but feel something else is fueling their hatred.
I actually have limited issue with Hillary, and like a lot of her politics. I refuse to vote her anywhere near the White House because I refuse to have the former Pres, Billy, anywhere near the White House. It comes very close to a challenge to the 2 term rule, in my mind. Because I know how much consulting generally goes on in a marriage, I don’t see how Hillary and Bill switching who gives the orders changes anything in a Presidential situation. Hillary and Bill are a package deal. I’d revise this opinion if she divorced him, because then they wouldn’t be a unit, but separate entities again.
Admittedly, this may be hard for some people to understand, but it’s how I feel and believe.
Aside from her left-wing politics, I can’t stand her for the following reasons:
- When she speaks, she talks down to people.
- She seems angry all the time. She tries to pretend she is not angry, but her anger still comes out.
- She tries to talk like a man… all “tough” and stuff.
- She seems fake and insincere.
- She seems very power-hungry.
Those are the impressions I get when I hear her speak.
She doesn’t get it from left-wingers, though, and there are a bunch of people on the left who dislike her.
For the record, I liked her a lot until her Presidential campaign. Like Bush smearing McCain in 2000, she played dirty against Obama. That was a big turnoff for me.
More like it’s safer to publicly criticize a woman than a black man, though sharp criticism still might backfire due to residual chivalric instincts.
As feminist prosecutor Marcia Clark found out when she tried to pack the OJ jury with women and Johnnie Cochran tried to pack it with blacks, and they ended up in a compromise packing it with black women, race trumps sex in modern American identity politics.
How dare she!
I hate her for her role in the remake of The Manchurian Candidate.
When the Democratic run was on…I seemed pretty much alone in my support for H. Clinton. The thing is, I thought she was a decent candidate. I didn’t think she would take shit in foreign affairs which I was concerned about Obama. She seemed to have direction and an idea of what she would do as prez. I STILL think she’d make a decent President.
However, when I answer like this when asked, people looked at me like I was insane. Clinton is not nearly as liberal as she is painted and she is tough.
Her position now though is good for her and the country. I believe Clinton has a good head on her shoulders and cannot be pushed around.
I admit that I detest Clinton. If the Secret Service were to promise to not get involved, I’d give her a slap in the face.
I also admit that Clinton is the lesser of two evils versus the current president, but I didn’t support either one. In fact, I was glad that Hillary had lost the primary, because I really, really thought this country was much more racist than it turned out to be, and therefore Obama would certainly end up losing the election. Oh, well.
It’s not so much the pants suits as is the pastel colored pants suits. Who wears an all canary yellow suit except pimps? Pin striped black suit would have been to loud, Hillary?
A bit. She doesn’t have the ‘magic touch’ for dealing with ordinary joes. Do you honestly seriously think this is uncommon among politicians? Even the ones who DO positively glow with that empathetic down-to-earth, would-have-a-drink-with-you-in-the-bar common-folk cameraderie?
True, and true. Shit, if I’d been on the receiving end of what she’s been on the receiving end for the last 18 years, I’ d be angry too. McCain was often remarked upon for his short fuse as well. Obama, in contrast, the Iceman for sure. Reagan, pretty mild on the anger-scale. Carter and Nixon, both hotheads. Johnson could be, too.
So did both George Bushes. So did McCain. What’s your point? Help me out here. Surely you do not mean to imply that because she is female she, alone, should NOT engage in that kind of rhetoric and posturing? Or maybe you hated them for the same thing, I dunno…?
A bit. She doesn’t have the ‘magic touch’ for dealing with ordinary joes. Do you honestly seriously think this is uncommon among politicians? Even the ones who DO give you that open-eyed, open-faced ‘I would never lie to you’ sincerity and just radiate sincerity? (Have you taken a good look at Mitt Romney lately?)
No shit. She’s a politician. She doesn’t have the ‘magic touch’ for dealing with ordinary joes. Do you honestly seriously think this is uncommon among politicians? Even the ones who DO positively glow with that ‘just a public servant’, ‘I have no aspirations to power for myself, I am only righteously seeking power in order to deploy it for the public good’? Got more of a power-jones on than Charlie Rangel, ya think?
OK obviously I’ve got a theme going. And equally obviously, “So do the others” is not a good excuse for doing (or being) anything egregious.
IS HILLARY CLINTON condescending, power-hungry, insincere, or angry in a fashion that really sets her apart from other politicians, or does she merely fail to set herself apart from other politicians due to looking like your typical arrogant, smarmy, willful office-seeker?
Is it somehow not OKAY for her to be right smack dab in the middle of the pack in terms of these characteristics, and to do most of her shining in competency and tendency to work hard and get things done?
I do think it’s a gender difference. My sociology professor had a poster on her wall: Sexual equality is not when a female genius does as well as a male genius; sexual equality is when a female schlemiel can get by as easily as a male sclemiel.
I don’t think she is/was a schlemiel, but she ain’t no saint. Total concentrated “distilled essence of politician”, in fact. But not stupid, able to run an office, a manager/planner and policy geek and a workaholic, and pretty decent politics without being an ideologue.
Then you’d be hearing even more snark about her pretending to be a man. :rolleyes:
Pastels look much better on TV than solid primary colors, ya know. Same reason the guys all wear blue shirts and red striped ties.
Canary yellow pants do not look good on television. Ever. They make you look like Big Bird. She needs to let Pelosi or Boxer take her shopping.
But my opinion of the woman has jack shit to do with her fashion choices. I don’t (dis)like HRC more than any other politician, and I do think some of the dislike stems from sexism. I also think a lot of it does not, but people have to scream it does, because they can’t fathom a reason why anyone wouldn’t like her!