Why do people hate Tom Cruise?

[Lust4Life]

@Gyrate

Did you read the Brooke Shields thing?Good grief. Did you read any of this thread?

The whole gay/straight thing is a sideline anyway. The man had a bizarre manic moment on national television, jumping on Oprah’s couch. He belongs to a cult whose documented actions have been actively harmful, and he has pushed their viewpoint strongly on multiple occasions. Plus there’s the question of how good an actor he is, which has also been discussed endlessly. I think there are numerous valid reasons to view him with distaste that don’t require an opinion on his sexual orientation.
Gaah. “Straight as a die”, please. It’s a metalworking tool of some sort, I believe.

Well I’ve just gone back and read the entire thread, plus a link about his comments on Brooke Shields

So now I know where a lot of people are coming from.

Basically a dislike of people who are different to themselves, and who exacerbate their guilt by being rich and famous and getting lots of beautiful women.

Yep theres many the person I’ve developed a lifelong hatred for because they’ve jumped over a sofa, BASTARDS !

And there seems to be an almost Fascistic hatred of Scientologists doing the rounds.

I don’t actually approve of the cult myself, but they don’t seem to be inflicting harm on masses of people, or causing death and destruction around the world.

Perhaps we should reinstitute the Spanish Inquisition and root out suspected Scientologists, torture them and then burn them at the stake for their religious beliefs.

Thats what people want isn’t it ?

Kill off people who are different to them ?
And as to your point about him not being a great actor, well we all know loads of people who develop a hatred for the large numbers of bad actors that are inflicted on us.

Theres not a day goes past without my hearing about say, someone wanting to dismember George Clooney for his performance in Oceans 11, or was it 12, or some completely different movie ?

So, sorry, but I don’t think that AOTA justifies hating someone that you’ve never met, probably never will meet, and who almost certainly doesn’t even know of your existance, or would care if they did .

As to the wrong spelling of “die” in my post, I expect that I’ll get over it after a few sleepless nights and perhaps some meds from my doctor.

I just hope that I didn’t ruin your life by doing it.

Can I just say that I am most dreadfully sorry for this inexusable lapse of etiquette, and will do my best never to let this again, not now, not ever.

I just hope that I can reach the (for me ) almost unobtainable level of excellence required.

I of course remain Sir, your obedient servant

           L4L

Sorry I just had an almost uncontrollable pomposity attack.

I can’t think what came over me.

[Ferret_Herder]

… Right.

Because I think he’s a twat and spreading dangerous beliefs that are unsupported by science, over his comments that you shouldn’t ever take medication to help with psychiatric disorders because there’s nothing wrong with your brain medically and should just take vitamins and be a Scientologist, therefore I’m actually a homophobic jealous zealot who wants to stamp out religious freedom. Mmhmm.

I also think Jenny McCarthy is spreading dangerous ideas not supported by science when she says that vaccines made her kid autistic but she cured him with a special diet and other snake oil (and oh, it might have been Landau-Kleffner syndrome instead). But I guess I’m just a jealous brainwashed sheeple who thinks posing for Playboy is evil, by that logic.

Because I couldn’t possibly be taken at face value for my opinions because the power of celebrity and wealth is too great, or something.

(Side note: I agree he’s a pretty decent actor, who does best when he doesn’t have to disappear in a role and can play a charmer playboy type. But that smirk can be offputting, just as George Clooney overdoes his “tilt head down, look up with eyes” signature move when he’s trying to look charming.)

[well_he_s_back]

Lust4Life - No,I don’t want to kill off Scientologists. But I sure want to take their tax exempt status away. Religion, my ass.

and yeah I do think you give Cruise too easy a pass on his crazy ideas re treating depression, including post-partum. No excuse. and yes, I dislike him for that ignorant, harmful behavior. don’t see why that’s so hard to understand.

[Koxinga]

@sisu

Because he hurt our Nicole.

Yes.

[Lust4Life]

Actually I suffer from clinical depression myself and it doesn’t bother me , let alone enrage me , that someone I don’t know, but who happens to be famous , has some silly ideas about the world.

If that was the case I’d be angry with most people in the world who believe in any sort of religion, plus a hell of a lot of other people who’s non religious beliefs are just as stupid.

Cruises views aren’t going to affect me, my illness, other peoples illnesses, the medical proffessions views on illnesses, or even the man in the streets views on illnesses, or anything else for that matter.

Many of us in the Western democracies have served just so that people can hold the opinions that we don’t personally believe in, just so long as those beliefs don’t persecute other people.

I find it disturbing that people find Cruise such a threat to their own world view that they actually feel hatred for him, even though they don’t actually know him.

Very disturbing.

[Gyrate]

@Lust4Life

And there seems to be an almost Fascistic hatred of Scientologists doing the rounds.

I don’t actually approve of the cult myself, but they don’t seem to be inflicting harm on masses of people, or causing death and destruction around the world.

Operation Clambake is probably the easiest place to start. Here’s one person’s story. But, you know, those guys are probably just mad that Tom Cruise isn’t gay, or they’re secretly Nazis or something.

Sorry I just had an almost uncontrollable pomposity attack.

I can’t think what came over me.

I don’t know either. You seem to feel rather strongly about the subject. Maybe you need to get your engrams checked.

[phreesh]

Those who are picking on Scientology really need to bone up on their religious history. To seriously think that Scientology has anywhere near the same terrible history of crime and murder as mainstream religions like Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism needs to get some perspective.

Yes, those crimes do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of believers, but the same could be said for Scientology.

[Koxinga]

Hinduism? Really?

[Mr.Excellent]

@Eve

I don’t hate him–and I think within his range he is a good actor–I just find him *creepy *and get a “more than a little nuts” vibe from him.

Of course, sometimes the creepy/nuts vibe works very, very well for him. “Collateral” (in which he played an oddly introspective hit-man) was excellent.

[Queen_Tonya]

For me, it was the Oprah couch episode. Not the crazy screaming I love Katie Holmes part, that’s just silly exuberance and I don’t care. But just as he was leading up to that moment, as he’s explaining to O his amazement at his own feelings for Katie, he spent a moment going on and on about how he’d never felt that way before. How he’d never truly been in love like that, how he’d never really had a partnership that deep and true and equal and right. How he wanted to spend the rest of his life with her because she was all that.

I distinctly remember watching that and thinking “I hope to hell his kids aren’t watching this” but of course as it went on and got crazier, I realized there was no way it was just going to be another forgettable interview they’d be spared seeing. He’d just gotten divorced, fine people say lots of ugly things during and after divorcing. But to go on and on and on about how he never really loved his kids mother? How the hell is that supposed to make those kids feel?

As a parent, there’s lots of times we bite our tongues and modulate ourselves for our kids sake. He not only didn’t do that, he went completely the other direction as hard and fast as he could and that was just a shitastic thing to do to his kids. I lost any respect I ever had for the guy right there.

[Gyrate]

@phreesh

Those who are picking on Scientology really need to bone up on their religious history. To seriously think that Scientology has anywhere near the same terrible history of crime and murder as mainstream religions like Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism needs to get some perspective.

Yes, those crimes do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of believers, but the same could be said for Scientology.

And you can find plenty of threads here decrying the various fun things the RCC or certain fundamentalist churches or Muslim clerics have been doing (Hindus, not so much). It’s not a competition.

[obfusciatrist]

@Annie-Xmas

He stated that he, a high school dropout, knew more about drugs than Shields, a graduate of Princeton.

It is my experience that the average high school dropout probably does know more about drugs than the average graduate of Princeton.

As for Tom Cruise, he’s a mid-range actor that excels in the right kind of role. But he is a great movie star. Cary Grant hardly ever did anything but be Cary Grant and I never get tired of watching him. Tom Cruise has the same kind of on screen charisma that transcends the quality of his acting. (Obviously not everybody’s cup of tea, but equally obviously he has something that dozens of other "the next Tom Cruise"s have lacked. Just the other day I was saying to my wife that Jeremy Renner strikes me as a possible candidate (and one who actually does act, at least for now). Both, even when on the periphery of what’s on screen end up being what you (or most people anyway) pay attention to.

I knew a few people who have spent more than just handshaking time with him and all reported that he was a very nice person, though with a very different lifestyle (as is bound to happen to someone with more money than can ever be spent and an inability to go outside like a normal person).

As much as I disapprove of Scientology (though that isn’t much more than I disapprove of pretty much all religion) all of the actual Scientologists I’ve met have been perfectly nice people.

My take on the Jenny McCarthy analogy is (and it may be flawed because I don’t actually follow either of there personal lives all that closely) is that while she has tried to pursue actual policy changes to support her quackery, all he has done is say (even if it was mean to other people) what he believes. When he is on Capitol Hill testifying in support or eliminating psychiatry and labor pains then I’ll care more what he thinks.

Otherwise he’s been in a fair number of movies I enjoyed (sometimes despite him) and he has, at times, shown a willingness to tackle movies that aren’t obviously in his wheelhouse (Valkyrie, Magnolia, Rock of Ages).

So no, I don’t hate him. I am at best indifferent to him as a person, entertained by him as a movie star if not an actor, and if asked (which I never am) will disagree with him on probably almost everything he believes in.

[well_he_s_back]

Koxinga - yes, Hindus slaughtered lots of Muslims (and vice versa) when India/Pakistan received their independence. and Hindus have murdered Sikhs, too, all in the name of religion.

All of which is irrelevant to Scientology - seems to me it is not an “organic” religion, but an organization created to make money yet called a religion to get tax exempt status.

[Lust4Life]

@Gyrate

Operation Clambake is probably the easiest place to start. Here’s one person’s story. But, you know, those guys are probably just mad that Tom Cruise isn’t gay, or they’re secretly Nazis or something.I don’t know either. You seem to feel rather strongly about the subject. Maybe you need to get your engrams checked.

Ah that would be because I’m a secret member of the Scientology cult whos job is to counter prejedicial views on it by pretending to be an ordinary member of the public.

Actually I DO care about freedom of speech, and bullying/whispering campaigns against individuals.

You want to slag of Scientology then go to it, though I find your fervour a little odd.

I’m sure that they have enough money and people to defend themselves.

As to picking on individuals out of what appears to be jealousy, and finding reasons to justify it, well thats a different kettle of fish all together.

But no doubt I’ve only said that because secretly I’m Tom Cruises agent or P.R. or something.

[Scumpup]

@Lust4Life

But no doubt I’ve only said that because secretly I’m Tom Cruises agent or P.R. or something.

It’s hilarious that a man of your background should find the attitudes of complete strangers toward a movie star, who is also a stranger to you, “very disturbing.”

Chin up, though, me ol’ china. Cruise is a wealthy, grown man. He isn’t “very disturbed” by the natterings at this board and you needn’t be so on his behalf.

[VinylTurnip]

Somebody’s watched the underpants-karaoke scene way too many times.

[Gyrate]

@Lust4Life

Ah that would be because I’m a secret member of the Scientology cult whos job is to counter prejedicial views on it by pretending to be an ordinary member of the public.

I was joking, although given that the story I linked to included someone doing just that, it’s not really that funny.

Actually I DO care about freedom of speech, and bullying/whispering campaigns against individuals.

Glad to hear it.

You want to slag of Scientology then go to it, though I find your fervour a little odd.

Really? “Fervour”? That’s “fervour”? Really? Huh.

I’m sure that they have enough money and people to defend themselves.

Yes, I’m sure they do.

As to picking on individuals out of what appears to be jealousy, and finding reasons to justify it, well thats a different kettle of fish all together.

But no doubt I’ve only said that because secretly I’m Tom Cruises agent or P.R. or something.

I don’t like brussel sprouts - I guess I’m just jealous of their greenness. And Kim Kardassian - I say she’s a waste of space but I secretly envy her lush hair. And Dick Cheney - I really just want to bear his little Republican babies. It’s all about the jealousy.

Fervour. Huh.

[armedmonkey]

Lust4 Life, my intention in this post is not to debate what you say.

Please believe that.

It’s how you construct your posts.

You don’t have to hit the “enter” key twice after every sentence.

A simple period will work.

So my advice to you is:

Try typing a paragraph.

[amanset]

@phreesh

Those who are picking on Scientology really need to bone up on their religious history. To seriously think that Scientology has anywhere near the same terrible history of crime and murder as mainstream religions like Islam, Christianity, or Hinduism needs to get some perspective.

Yes, those crimes do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of believers, but the same could be said for Scientology.

For me the problem is more that Scientology is so transparently a cult thrown together to make money. At least with the mainstream religions there is the mist of time that can at least serve as some sort of doubt, but with Scientology it was set up just a few decades ago by someone who said that starting a religion was a great way to make money.

And unlike mainstream religions they charge for everything. Unless you’re a celebrity, of course.

And Cruise is the number one drum beater for that religion, so I refuse to see any of his works. The most recent film of his that I have seen is “Minority Report”, which is now a decade old.

And that is without getting into the dangerous practices of convincing sick people to not take their medications, locking people up to purge them, ridiculous levels of litigation against anyone that says anything about them, attempting to infiltrate governments for political and financial gain …

Yes, other religions may have been shit in the past, but Scientology is being really very, very shit now.

[amanset]

@A Monkey With a Gun

Lust4 Life, my intention in this post is not to debate what you say.

Please believe that.

It’s how you construct your posts.

You don’t have to hit the “enter” key twice after every sentence.

A simple period will work.

So my advice to you is:

Try typing a paragraph.

In his defence, the small little box that you get to type in often makes paragraphs look bigger than they actually are. How I write on here looks not so different to how Lust4Life does.