You obviously don’t know shit about Japan, either.
For the former, “Baaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaa”
For the later. Well most of the street walkers are Brazilian. If you want a Japanese whore to scam you, you have to dial the number given on the fliers stuffed in your mailbox.
My brother (6’ 4" white dude) and his 5’ 11" wife spent ten months in China. They were stared at and asked to be photographed, but had a great time.
I’ve visited Hilton Head, South Carolina and Gainsville, Florida. I was shocked by the racist things I saw and have since avoided those areas.
Japanese (men) spit relatively frequently, and piss everywhere (when drunk).
But yes, probably better than China overall.
Well, I haven’t see a lot of ‘genuine human kindness’ in China wrt the North Korean defectors or illegals, though they might think not being immediately shot is shocking enough to warrant that label.
But you sort of hit the nail on the head here. It’s something that seems to get overlooked on this board a lot. Mao and the revolution destroyed the old Chinese culture and reshaped the people to be the way they are. It’s why a lot of the complaints about China really are for a certain age group there. Basically, Chinese people from my own age cohort (say born in the late 50’s through the early 70’s) are the worst examples of bad manners and bad habits and even a sense of entitlement to do what they want, how they want it (as long as they don’t cross the CCP of course). They are usually the ones who are encouraging their kids (well, grand kids now) to defecate or urinate into the grate on the street, who spit anywhere and everywhere, who don’t take care of their property or treat common property as their own dumping ground, etc etc. They grew up seeing their elders burning or destroying their heritage, were encouraged to do horrific things (turn in their teachers, their parents, their neighbors, etc), and to see mass starvation and privation that taught them a me first attitude.
They really haven’t got a lot of historical similarities to South Korea other than both have managed to become economic powerhouses and are in Asia. In China’s case, the CCP is still there, and while they might not be as (openly) bad as they were under Mao the scaring of those times is still there.
That said, the younger Chinese, especially Chinese professionals are changing and throwing off the shackles of their elders. They have seen what a bad rap Chinese tourists have gotten, especially in the region, and a lot of them are much more cultured and cosmopolitan than their parents. The younger generation is also better educated and while China does have it’s Great Firewall(tm, arr), their own intranet is pretty encompassing and has a code all it’s own, plus until very recently a lot of Chinese en masse used VPN software to basically get out on the worlds internet, so it’s not like they haven’t had access to any information they wanted.
This is one funny thing about it all. I’ve been with Chinese groups going to Thailand and Japan, and both times the tour was given lessons on, essentially, basic hygiene and consideration for others. e.g. “Dropping your trousers in the middle of a busy street and taking a leak? Yeah, don’t do that here.”
Also you see the difference at Chinese airports. The line for Chinese people ends up being about 8 people wide, with plenty of pushing and shoving, and there are security guards having to tell people not to just walk up to the passport window while someone else is already there.
Meanwhile the “rest of the world” queue is orderly and needs no policing.
Like I say, I agree with many of the gripes (and in fact I’m about done with China), I just disagreed with some of the suggestions in the OP that people are *more *judgemental, say. I feel a little freer, in terms of social norms, here than anywhere in the west.
In response to OP:
In a nation of 1.4 billion people, everyone’s just a drop in the sea. Human life is worth much less by ratio/value.
Dog eat dog culture.
No Good Samaritan laws.
Race to get rich.
There are some nice ones, but they get drowned out.
I spent close to a year working in Rizhao in China and never had the kind of trouble the OP is going on about. I even ate street food and never got sick. The only real problem with the cuisine was the difficulty in obtaining significant quantities of beef, the fact that one place I found to make a Martini only had black olives, and there weren’t many places where you could buy cold beer. You know, if you don’t try the donkey, how do you know you don’t like the donkey?
Street crime was virtually non-existent from what I could see. I walked through the city without any concern for my safety. I never had anyone try to rob or scam me, which is a huge difference than my experience in St. Petersburg, Barcelona, and Florence. Hell, I’ve worked in places you had to lock your suitcase to keep the chambermaids from stealing your toilet paper and soap.
One thing that differed from my experience working in other countries was in their treatment of change orders on the job. In most places on a large construction project change orders are kept track of and at the end of the project everyone sits down in a room and all the add-ons and take-aways are summed up and a final price is negotiated. There every change order was to be negotiated on the spot before work could progress. It was kind of a nuisance, but I figured I wasn’t going to change China.
They do spit a lot though; I’ll give you that, but in other respects the OPs, both the poster and the post, are full of shit.
OP is making broad generalizations about an absolutely gigantic and diverse country and culture. It also reads like he’s been drinking. Barack, stick to the Hawaiian bud, please.
Mao was a piece of shit who fucked up China majorly, but not irreversibly. As we see now, the traditional Chinese culture is far, far older than the shitty disease of Communism, and will outlast it. The entire world owes a gigantic debt of gratitude collectively for the achievements of the Chinese. And I have never met one who I didn’t like.
It’s all because we steal their dresses and dance.
Just curious here…where do you see traditional Chinese culture shining through or supplanting the CCP in mainland China? Where do you see the CCP losing it’s grip on the people? The CCP has, over time, basically created the fiction that China=CCP and that the CCP=China, and I’m not seeing any indication that this is or has changed any either recently or further in the past. If anything, this has gotten stronger.
I suppose the fact that, today, the Chinese (CCP) don’t smash or destroy all of their culture is hopeful, but it seems to me they use their historical past to fit into their own national narrative, sort of like how the Nazi’s and Hitler created a historical fiction of Aryan history and culture that centered around Germany and the German people.
What ‘gigantic debt of gratitude collectively for the achievements of the Chinese’ do you see the world owing China btw? Not that historically Chinese achievements haven’t been vast and important (gunpowder and paper are the least of things), but just wondered as to what you meant there.
Wait, I live a few miles from, and worked across the street from, McDonald’s HQ and don’t have to go very far to be disoriented by how far away the nearest Mac’s is. China? Try Naperville, where you have to travel upwards of TEN MINUTES to find one! Or Chicago, a major city where the nearest one may be fifteen minutes away. Completely unreasonable.
FTR, the town I grew up in had what I think was Mac’s #5 and is two burbs over from Mac’s #1. I’m a Chicago suburbanite so I always know where the nearest McDonald’s is. Within three miles of me there are four. (thinking) Nope, five. Or is it six, depending on the route? As the crow flies it may be eight.
my gf said u get sick by mouth, eyes, and nose. Any evidence the masks dont protect ur mouth or nose from airborn germs?
I see very few people wearing the face masks to cover their mouth and nose. Quite a lot of people just have it cover their mouth. Take a wild guess what’s going into the nose. Generally, the mask seems to be more of a fashion statement than a health aid.
Personal experience here: I wear eyeglasses. When I wore a mask, my glasses fogged up. Take a wild guess what that means about keeping pollutants out.
Good points.
What started this trend? I know very polluted chinese cities people including children wear the masks, but aside from that why do Asians wear these masks when they’re sick? Is it the same assumptions I made? Seems odd that it carries over from China, Japan, Korea, and wherever else.
I spent 4 years living in Japan. I saw many a サラリーマン drunk and pissing in the streets. Some of my favorite memories to this day are the last train ride home, with everything from a drunk salaryman stripping down to his undies over an expired teiki card to another drunk salaryman swerving from one side of the road to the other on his bike, before eventually ramming into the guard rail. And oh yes, lots of drunk middle-age male pissing and spitting in the streets in between.
I think you’re emanating sarcasm but sometimes it’s hard to tell without an emoti guide. 
My point being that the OP was in a first world/third world mix for all of 3 months. He certainly wasn’t more than 5 minutes away from a McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Coca Cola, airplane or 5 star hotel for those 3 months.
[old china hand voice/on]I wasn’t like when we went to China in the 1980’s. Spitting, I’ll give you spitting, kids these days can’t spit. Seriously, the spittoons that used to line the stairwells are largely gone. Toilets, you want toilets, I’ll give you a hole in the ground and that’s where you shit. Of course, Moms and little kids are smarter than that, and they didn’t have diapers, so they shit off the curb. Christ snowflake, it’s not like they just let the kids shit on the sidewalk, that would be barbarious (or at least country bumpkins and not city folk. And the food, fuck McD’s, why would anyone want to eat that fast food crap when there was unrefridgerated rancid meat hanging by a hook with flies on it, and speaking of pussy snowflakes, cats are meat you know and at least they are kept live in cages for fresh butchering unlike the dogs hanging from the meat hooks. And the fucking watery beer is WARM gaddamnit. Your plane could be delayed for 3 days with no explanation while you get instant ramen and the please of waiting in a crappy airport lounge with shitty benches. And there were no hookers as prostitution was illegal and enforced, it wasn’t until the late 80’s economic opening that the oldest profession started to make a comeback, so put that in your pipe and smoke it. Speaking of smoke, people would smoke the most rancid tobacco and smokers would have their thumb and middle finger brown from tobacco stains. And when you were in the public toilet with strangers checking out your pube color, how you shat, what the package looked like, and wonderment at the miracle of circumcism, then the dude next to you, and if you’re lucky there was a little divider instead of just a row of holes, but I digress, the guy next too you was slowly finishing his cig while smoothing out the cig soft package to reuse as toilet paper. Food was seasonal. You want to eat some veggies, well it’s napa cabbage for the next 6 months because it’s winter. And it’s just stacked in giant piles in the street. Rice, Chinese eat rice, and they are famous for rice, but yet I managed to break a molar twice on the rocks that cooked up with that coarse rice that would make a modern american vegan proud. And you had to register everywhere, with only less than 200 cities in the whole country almost the size of the US that was legal to visit with prior permission. Don’t let me get started on the food poisoning with projectiles exploding out both ends a couple times a year. And did I mention the entire country had NO COLD BEER unless you were lucky enough to find a restaurant that had beer and a refridgerater, and then talk the proprietor into preselling a case of beer at a premium price with the caveat that it’s put into a fridge kept about 60 degrees cold. You’re really have to speak good Chinese to get that down to a real chilled beer or softdrink temperature. That is assuming coke couold be found, and it was not plentiful. By god, hope you don’t need new shoes because assuming you found something that fit gweilo sized feet, it was just paper thin crap that fell apart. The first McD’s in China, in Beijing, didn’t open for about a decade later in 1990. [old china hand /off]
Oh ya, my point being, the OP was within spitting distance of first world luxuries and ran home with his tail between his legs after 3 months. I sympathize as China certainly is NOT for everyone. But precious could have tried to hang in China of the 1980s when his prostitute scammer “friends” a) didn’t exist and b) didn’t speak English.
Actually, I’m not going to proofread this and probably don’t have a point except to say the OP doesn’t know shit from shinola when it comes to china despite his “camp China” 3 months ratfuck. Play on
“Within spitting distance”. Gold, CG, gold.
I’ve never been to China before, but I’m skeptical of the OP.
I recall a poster many years back who bitched about how terrible Portland, Oregon was. The people were rude, the food was bad. The weather sucks. It has no culture. He just delivered a long angry tirade, making Portland seem like hell on earth.
The thing is, I’ve lived in Portland before, and have visited many times. It seemed like a pretty nice place to me. The Portland that I experienced was very different from the Portland he experienced.
Maybe China really is terrible. But I’m not going to form any judgement on the country based off the account of one dude on the internet.
I have never lived in China for more than two weeks at a time, but I’ve visited there probably 20 times in my lifetime. I have generally found that Chinese people are as pleasant, kind and respectful as people from other countries. Sure there have been rude inconsiderate people I come across in China, but in no greater incidence that I have found in other countries. But maybe that’s because I was there with large amounts of cash to invest in the country that would employ thousands of the people there, but on the other hand, the strangers that I came across in restaurants, elevators, the sidewalks, didn’t know that, so maybe that didn’t influence them.