(And it’s all a matter of percentages as to what is the “normal” position for it to be in. Since women need it to be down for all functions, and men need it to be down at least once a day, sometimes more, and some men pee sitting down like women do, the overwhelming majority of the time the seat is down to accomodate the majority of people’s needs. Therefore, raising it is the less often needed or used position, making it the “ab”-normal position, making it the job of the person who took it out of it’s normal, expected position to put it back. Period.)
Ok, I came back after the weekend to the SDMB and i find that this stupid subject is still here, going on three pages.
Couldn’t you all have listened to my post on page one that suggested we talk about something else?
I guess I was wrong that woman’s dislike for uplifted toilet seats was exaggerated in tv.
What is wrong with you people?
Who the fuck cares? I have never cared either way, nor have any of my female roomates said anything, even when we live with men.
I can relate all my posts recently in some way to my current living situation with the unwanted houseguest.
He leaves cigarette butts in the toilet and he also forgets to flush- leaving massive monsters in the toilet that frighten me.
Until some of you OCD ladies have been through something like this, you need to lighten up.
As has been said by many other posters so far, CHECK FIRST! I’ve had to defecate in the middle of the night and have never yet fallen in. I pee sitting down about half the time and have never fallen in. I CHECK! There is no excuse for falling into the toilet.
Your “normality” argument is complete fluff. It’s basically a rehashing of the simplified mathematical analysis that men need it down part of the time, women all of the time, so a majority of the time, it should be down. This argument has been thoroughly rebutted. See a previous post that proved that putting the seat down every time requires more adjustment by the man alone than both parties would have to make, combined, by leaving the toilet as they used it.
And just so everyone knows, I don’t (and don’t think most others do, either) take this issue very seriously. It’s just fun to argue such a non-issue. For those that think this is actually a significant thing, well… :rolleyes:
Why is this even an issue? In my house, when someone see the seat is up, they put it down and get on with business (and vice-versa). As for the consideration angle, couldn’t a guy just as easily say the woman is a selfish bitch because she won’t leave the seat up (causing him to piss all over it)? Some people are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Toilet seat and lid down = ‘nice’ is not a “minute preference” of mine. I have a sister-in-law who owns a cleaning service and she tells me that the cleaning industry standard for a clean toilet is to clean and polish the outside of the tank and commode, scrub and sanitize the bowl, seat and inside lid and put the toilet lid down. While I won’t argue that putting the lid down renders a toilet un-toilet-like in its asthetics, a bathroom does look nicer (IE. cleaner and tidier) when the toilet seat and lid are down.
Perhaps I was unclear when I said it is polite to clean up after yourself at someone else’s house. I should have clarified by saying that I take ‘cleaning up after oneself’ to mean ‘leave things as you found them.’ In my house, you will find the toilet lid down. If you lift it for some reason (and etiquette dictates that I not inquire into your reasons for lifting it), please put it down again when you are through. It’s the polite thing to do.
As for the ‘selfish land’ comment… well, perhaps I was too harsh. Usually, my posts are a model of sweet generosity – really! Do a search on my name! However, the litany of “If my wife (sister, mother, roommate, Princess Diana…) doesn’t like it, let her put the seat down.” got my back up. Miss Manners says that when there is a difference of opinion on a matter of household nicety the ‘fussier’ opinion should prevail. Putting the toilet seat down to please your housemate (whether it be spouse or roommate or whatever) is a small enough thing to do. Probably, a few minutes thought will reveal a number of small things your housemates do just to please you.
Finally, having invoked Miss Manners, I suppose she would want me to apologize for the ‘selfish land’ crack. So I will. Sirs, please accept my most humble apology for lowering the tone of the debate. I won’t let it happen again.
Lethal Linx, if this is a non-issue, why would a guy be heated enough to call a woman a “selfish bitch” over it (unless that is just a normal way he speaks about women?).
The point many of us have made is, if this is not an issue in your house and you have it worked out to your satisfactioin, fine.
But if this is important to a woman, and she has asked the man to try to change, why couldn’t he do this small thing for her if it is a non-issue anyway?
The other night we were sharing a cabin. It had a nice shiny white bathroom and when you turn the lights on they seem to be about a million watts. In the middle of the night I got up, I had to go. I reached for my glasses but there was no night stand on my side so they were no where they would be normally and there was no way for me to find them by myself. I find the bathroom and look through my sleep filled eyes and blurred vision. It looked as if the seat were down so I closed the door and was prepared to urinate in the dark. The lights were so bright that turning them on would wake me too much. I sat down and splashed. The scream woke everyone in the cabin and I had to have a shower. At home we have an oak tolet seat on a white bowl. the contrast in color is enough to tell if the seat is up or down. I do not like groping toilets in the dark to see if the seat is up.
Any man who wants to be an important part of my life learns to leave the seat down when finished. If that one thing is too much then I can do without them.
My point using “bitch” was to show the absurdity of getting emotional over this issue. Also, what if a man said it was important to him that the seat be left up, and the woman left the seat down (out of habit, not malicious intent as some are making it out to be), does that mean she is selfish and inconsiderate? Like I said before, mountain out of mole hill.
If it’s left up instead of left down
causes some of us ladies to frown.
So to show us your love
please give that lid a shove.
Then with women you’ll enjoy great renown.
Growing up with 6 sisters, it was well ingrained in me to leave the seat down. I have done this for as long as I can remember. Now after reading most of these posts, I think I’ll just go do my business outside with the dog.
