I think we’re past moving goalposts: the OP is now several football fields away. (Though perhaps the OP really does think that all immigrants from underdeveloped countries are refugees.)
Significant non-Scandinavian immigration to Sweden has been going on for less than a generation. Fewer than 10% of the population (including all immigrants) are not Scandinavian and most of the Yugoslavs, Greeks, and Turks have only recently arrived. Your claim that a “flood” of “hords” [sic] of others have reduced the apparent difference between the blondes of Sweden and elsewhere is nonsense as ~91% of the population remains Scandinavian and should carry all the Scandinavian ethnic features. At this point, you have moved yourself off the “benefit of the doubt” category (as one more loony ethnicist) into the category of “probable troll.”
If you continue in this vein, we will probably begin reviewing your posting privileges.
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Well, I grew up in Sweden and went through school there, and yet, for the life of me I just can’t seem to recall a single programming session of the kind you describe here.
Learning to “hate” the Northern European “heritage”? Well, um, no, that just wasn’t on the curriculum.
Quite the opposite, actually.
Now, I don’t know exactly what you mean by “heritage,” but with your permission I’ll have a quick look at some of the possibilities, just off the top of my head, and tick 'em off one by one:
Pre-Christian Scandinavian religion, Nordic mythology, Odinism, that whole thing? Yep, learned about it in school. We even put on a school play about that one time Thor’s hammer is stolen by an evil giant, and alpha-male Thor has to team up with that nasty li’l nerd Loki to get it back. Hilarity ensues. (I got the role as the evil giant, Trym, and hotdamn, I loved every single motherlovin’ minute of it. Best mismatched buddy comedy ever.)
Celebrating traditional Swedish holidays? Oh, hell yeah – dancin’ round the pole at Midsummer like a crazy person, the whole Saint Lucia thing, etc., etc. (Funny story – me and the two, three other swarthy, foreign kids in class were given the roles of the “gingerbread men”! waits for laughs that never come … OK, I guess you kinda had to be there. And, uh, be more or less Swedish, to catch the reference. Ahem. Movin’ on.)
Learning to love traditional Swedish music, art, literature? Oh yeah, big time – for one thing, us kids were taught plenty of songs by all the great old Swedish balladeers, from Bellman to Taube and just about everybody in between. I still remember some of them tunes. Get me drunk sometime and I just might put on a show for ya. (Nakedness optional.) And of course we read Strindberg and all that good stuff. And partied down to Ace Of Base in the evenings, if that counts.
And as for German culture… Well holy balls us kids were taught to just love us some fine, fine German culture! Just loved the stuff! Couldn’t get enough!
Plenty of us, myself included, studied German (the language) in school, and so were introduced to Goethe, Novalis and all the rest of it. And even the kids who picked French (in those days, i.e. the 90’s, you were allowed a choice between either German or French, in addition to the compulsory English studies) were taught at least a little bit of it, German being considered completely awesome by everyone involved. Amongst other things, us kids were taught to sing this nice old German ditty which ended with the words “die Gedaaaaanken sind freeeeeei!” (I think the lyrics were by… Schiller, maybe? I can’t really remember.)
What else we got? Li’l things like concentration camps pre-dating WWII, and in fact having been invented by the Brits during one of the Boer Wars? Check. Learned that exact fact in school, for God’s sake, so it’s not like it was some kind of forbidden knowledge you had to whisper carefully about lest the PC Gestapo would overhear you and whisk you away to some GULAG-style re-education camp way up in the Laplandish wilderness.
(If I remember correctly, our teacher had been reading up on Peter Englund, who was a pretty popular historian in the 90’s and wrote about that whole thing in one of his books. I guess them books must have slipped through the ZOG Censorship Program or whatever, because really, they were readily available and even considered bestsellers as far as history books are concerned.)
So, yeah, to bring my rather long-winded rant to a nice, short conclusion, I guess the OP-relevant point here is either
1. At least one kid miraculously managed to somehow get through the supposedly rabidly anti-European, anti-Germanic, anti-white brainwashing program known as the Swedish school system with nothing but warm, fluffy feelings for Sweden, Swedish culture, Germany, German culture, etc., etc.
or
2. RaleighRally is deluded and “svamlar i nattmössan.”
Google Translate renders that as “rambles in the nightcap”. Let’s hope that RaleighRally wears more than a nightcap while he is rambling.
Even the south of Sweden is very sparsely populated. I’m sorry mate, but there’s a metric arseload of space here.
Cite? I’d put money on the Finns being blonder.
I’m not terribly well versed in Norse mythology, but this is the first time I’ve heard Loki described as a nerd. For some reason I’m now imagining him as a Gilbert Gottried-like character.
You want that in light-years?
Or take it to the point that companies that sell hair coloring do. They label colors as “blonde” that are clearly brown.
That will depend on the marital choices made by my hypothetical children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. I intend to butt out and let them choose their own spouses. I think that’s the way it generally works in northern European cultures these days. You think we should borrow the custom of arranged marriages from some other culture, instead?
Of the Turku Creutzes? Yeah I’m sorry but that one is not gonna fly. I rather suspect he was from one of thoose noble famiies who emmigrated to Finland from Sweden to get new land. i.e. ethnically Swedish. (as well as nationally of course since finland was part of sweden then.)
While I am reticent to actually in anyway help RR. The present day population of Sweden actually are genetically traceable to the first immigrants to arrive after the iceage. 12k-13k BC (Andersson, M. & Knarrström, B., .Late paleo… in Scania 1999)
There hasn’t been much immigrating until quite recently. Those people that are ethnicaly Swedes are 85% from thoose original hunter gatherers.
When I lived in Denmark most of the professionals were non-Danish. I don’t think there was more than a handful of Danish professors at the university I worked at.
Of course, they were mostly from other EU countries (plus a smattering of Americans), but that does include some swarthy Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards. Some even married Danes and had kids! The horror…
Genetically traceable to original stock though they may be, outside genetic influences still got into Sweden.
The same is true for most modern ethnic populations, unless they have a history of extreme isolation (maybe, just maybe some of those isolated Amazonian tribes). Even then, there’s almost always been some outside mixing at some point over the last 10,000 years.
I’d lay even money that the majority of Swedes are descended from Charlemagne, as almost everybody else in Europe is, even if the majority of their genetic stock is still from the original hunter-gatherers.
Most people with even a single American Indian ancestor are genetically traceable to the first peoples to cross over to North America. It doesn’t mean they aren’t also descended from a cross-section of Europe.
So, yes, there’s bound to be a Finn or Saxon or somebody in the woodpile, somewhere. One outside ancestor out of 1000 still counts.
Hehe. It’s a Swedish expression for “spouts nonsense.”
Hehe, well, let’s see here… He is brainy, highly verbal, socially incompetent, emotionally stunted, occasionally beaten up by jocks, aaaaaaand (probably as a result) seething with half-repressed rage, jealousy and ressentiment. Sounds like a nerd to me!
The Google translation of this is “rambles in the nightcap”. What a lovely, and appropriate, phrase. Also, it’s a position I’ve been in a few times on here
Edit: Sorry, Giles missed your post.
I didn’t do well translating i think.
“Modern genetic studies show that todays ethnic swedes are to 85% DERIVED from the first hunter gathererers”. They conclude that "this means that “the following immigration must have been very small, and stayed very small until today.”
(Karlsson et al (2006). Y-chromosome diversity in Sweden – A long-time perspective)
The reason is. Sweden is actually isolated. By a big sea.
What were they?
But, where can I emigrate, to get the chicks for free?
Of course Loki is a nerd, he’s a trickster-god! Anansi beats Tiger!
I understood your point. You did not understand ours.
Our point is NOT that Swedes are greatly mixed. Our point is that some mixing exists (and I’d still lay money - even short my own odds - that most Swedes share Charlemagne as a common ancestor).
Further, the original point was about the genetic differences between Finns and Swedes. While you can argue about ancestry all day, the genetics show the two populations are, indeed, closely related.
Why are rich Persian Gulf Arabs programmed to make themselves into a minority?
United Arab Emirates only has 19% of its population as native Emirati - 50% are South Asian, 8% are Western Expatriates…
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ae.html
Apparently, Gulf Arabs are intent on cultural suicide.