Says you.
lol, and you said you werent a biased hypocrite :D:D:D
Oh wow, you got me. Good job deadeye.
Hillary was THE most influential Democratic voice in favor of the Patriot Act and the Iraq war, which was a major reason why she lost the nomination in 2008. It’s very possible that the torture and pointless war would not have started without her enthusiastic pandering to George W. Bush’s warmonger friends, given how close the Congressional party alignments were from 2001 to 2005 – had the most visible, most influential Democrat in Congress come out against these things instead of for them, who knows what might have been different.
I guess this has already been put down the memory hole, much like all the other assurances in 2008 from the Obama crowd that Clinton was a Republican devil in disguise. Time to fall in line behind the new Fearless Leader…
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Gee this sounds just like the endless “Obama is the Messiah” rhetoric that the right accused the left of, even though 99% of the mentions were by the right. Looks like a bad case of Early Onset Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
Of course, Clinton’s hawkishness and Iraq vote have been discussed (and criticized) in great detail on this messageboard over the last several months, so I’m not convinced it’s the Democrats who have holes in their memories.
And even though you believe it.
Thanks for proving my point.
So once again we come to the summary:
- It is inconceivable that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton ever has done or will do anything wrong, and anyone who even raises the possibility is a racist, right-wing propaganda agent who works for Fox News.
- Democrats do not believe that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are infallible on the level of supernatural religious figures and anyone who says they do is a racist, right-wing propaganda agent who works for Fox News.
More plusgood doublethink! You have avoided thoughtcrime and done your duty, citizen!
And you’re continuing to prove my point. Nobody here has said anything remotely close to anything you have posted above. Seriously - nobody. So your histrionics are based entirely on some fantasy you’ve concocted of how Democrats think.
There does seem to be a pattern on this board. Point out an obvious flaw of Clinton, Obama, etc., and people line up to berate you. Mention that people are acting like overprotective mothers who are defending fucking politicians and they line up to berate you. It’s very hard not to get the feeling you’ve interupted a circle jerk and everybody wants you to exit so as to leave them to their sordid little game.
The pattern as I see it: someone criticizes Obama or Hillary, someone responds saying “I don’t think that criticism is valid because of X and Y”, and the first someone gets all huffy and calls the responder some variation of a Kool-Aid drinker.
Other times, someone criticizes Obama or Hillary, and someone (or multiple someones) agree and add their own criticism.
From what I can tell, the Dope largely supports Obama (and Hillary), but this is mostly because the Republican alternatives are so much worse (in the opinion of these Dopers). There are very few liberal Dopers that I can recall off the top of my head who have never criticized Obama or Hillary.
Oh please. Colon Powell is as much an apolitical player in DC as you can find.
Lets assume Cheney or Rumsfeld had a private email server, and deleted the same number of emails making the determination themselves of which to be deleted and which not.
The dems, liberals, progressives, and media would go absolutely ape shit. They would trip over themselves calling for investigations and special prosecutors, etc. There would be non stop screaming about this for weeks.
The problem isn’t that people are criticizing Clinton - pretty much EVERYONE on this board is criticizing Clinton, including people who are still planning to vote for her (becuase all the alternatives are far worse). The problem is that some folks take that criticism and run with it straight into Crazyland.
Consider the title of this thread: “Why isn’t Hillary Clinton in jail?” It’s hardly defending her to point out that the reason she isn’t in jail is because she hasn’t broken any laws. That’s just demonstrating a basic grasp of reality.
What - like this? I’m sure you’ll have no trouble finding the weeks of non-stop screaming relating to that.
Really? The Colin Powell who was sent in to investigate reports of the My Lai masacre and didn’t interview witnesses? The Powell who, as Clinton’s Chairman of Joint Chiefs, did everything in his power to undermine Clinton’s foreign policy in the Balkans, including writing an op-ed in the NY Times? The Powell who made a speech at the UN justifying the invasion of Iraq? That Powell is apolitical? Because he sure looks like a completely political animal willing to screw over his own country for a shiny new star.
Must not be the same Colin Powell that endorsed Obama and voted for him twice.
No, that’s the same Powell who jumped ship when he saw which way the wind was blowing.
You mean out of Mordor? To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, Powell didn’t leave the Republican party, the Republican party left him.
nice summing up
Can I just say what we are probably all thinking?
Who is this Haberdash asshole and how has he flown under the radar for a year and a half?