Why the republicans are destined to fail

Politics & Elections
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Why the republicans are destined to fail

Today the Republican party offers nothing constructive. No new ideas, no positive comments, just attack, attack, attack, while offering no constructive ideas.

The Republican’s will lose the midterms and the General Election because they are following a one liner going nowhere.

I here and now ask any Republican here to wake up, if you have any common sense, this is the time to user it. Wake up, be an American and not a Republicon,

If the Republicans win this time around our experiment in a democratic republic will be doomed.

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I have been saying this for a year or more and it has never come close to coming true.

I believe the White Christian Nationalist movement which has taken over the Republican Party is entering their own modern day “Dark Ages”. I believe they have an unenlightened and repressive agenda at best! and are certainly behind the times as to understanding science and human rights.

They are however very good at consolidating their power and influence. They are also quite good at persuading low information voters and they are MASTERS of frightening the old, weak, and mentally deficient into adopting their agenda – which boils down to a simplistic culture war where they get to claim to be on the side of the most holy and all powerful God. Their other tactic to win this wrong headed culture war is to suggest to the weak minded – “remember how great your life was when you were young?”

You are right, they are destined to fail . . . . eventually. But the middle ages while the church ruled all of Europe lasted for hundreds of years and very term Renascence was coined to celebrate the rebirth of science and art after centuries of being suppressed by the church. Well not only are modern “Christians” not embracing new science and art . . . . they are revisiting items that were supposed to be resolved.

For example, it was accepted until recently that racism and sexism are bad and should be avoided. In the last fifty years American Protestant Christendom has reversed its position on abortion and adopted the views of the Church of Rome (which is still holding grudges from the Great Schism of 1054). As recently as the 1970’s Francis Schaeffer could not find any evangelical or fundamentalist to stand against abortion. (See Katherine Stewart [The Power Worshipers] and his own son Franky Schaeffer [Crazy for God] for documentation of this fact.)

It gets worse however, many of these followers recognize no power but God and are therefore anarchists as far as “Earthly” governments are concerned. They deny not only new science they fear, but older science like vaccines which they had embraced for more than a century. To make matters worse, a large section of the misinformed are now flat Earthers!!

Give these “believers” (who seem to know NOTHING of the message of love and peace that Jesus of Nazareth taught) a hundred years and like The Spanish Inquisition, they will be digging up Galileo and Copernicus in order to burn them at the stake. That will be after they have already burned Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Brian Greene, Bill Nye, Lawrence Krauss, and others at the stake. I was okay when the church only disputed NEW science that they had not grown up with, but now they have far too much power and they are going after well established science. Oh man, imagine what that mob at the Capitol on January Sixth would do if they could get their hands on a living Charles Darwin!!

These nuts want the very thing they HATE!! They want a Theistic Government like all those around the globe they rail against-- but they want their Theocracy to be based upon their particular sect of Christendom. They are a very tribe that has no place for enlightenment- simple rules carry the day.
Islamic Theocracies = BAD!
“Christian” Theocracies = GOOD! (YAY!!)

National laws suppressing women’s rights are wrong in Islamic countries ------ but somehow fine here in America as long as it is a good, Godly and “Christian” cause behind it.

I believe I am the last former Republican who is ever going to get out. Those who remain will not even consider new information and some of them “Rebuke” news sources they see as ungodly (which is all of them left of OANN, even Fox for some of them). Even after January Sixth I stayed in the GOP hoping they would self correct and steer out of their gutter using all the momentum they had built up. But then they refused to confirm the second impeachment of Donald J. Trump and I was finally out. Unlike the elected officials who broke with Trump (I didn’t have that worry-- I had never supported him), I kept going as far and as fast as I could.

A little postlude detail:
The GOP and specifically Trump must be suffering because even though I am no longer on their roles they have been calling again lately. They want to know if I am as fed-up with the Socialist agenda Nancy, Chuck, and Joe are pushing as they are-- to give me a chance to donate to those committed to reversing their evil efforts. After listening to their spiel, I tell them how little I think of the GOP and those who remain with them and they respond: “Donations are not tax deductible.”

The American Right Wing IS going to fail. It is just a matter of seeing if they destroy the nation before they do. (I secretly hope Alvin Toffler is correct and the rate of change in society is now too quick to allow the republican Party to stop or even reverse it.

Here is an example of the what the United States will be in fifty or a hundred years if the Republicans succeed in consolidating all their power:

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I agree with the first half (partly) and not the second half.

In the first case, they don’t have new ideas but they have some ability to solve some problems that Democrats are worse at (provided they’re not saddled with an idiot like Trump). Unfortunately they’ll mistreat wide clumps of the population while doing so. The “attack attack attack” comes up because some Republican politicians are just idiots, and others are cowards or want to “ride the tiger”.

I suspect the Republicans will win the mid terms, which will create a disastrous two years. The polls show Republicans ahead. Not only does the presidential party tend to do badly, but Democratic leaning voters (such as younger people) tend not to vote during mid terms while Republican leaning voters, fired up by Tucker Carlson’s constant “red meat”, will show up “to keep Maus out of schools” and such nonsense. This is a persistent problem for Democrats and they haven’t solved that issue yet, and it’s been going on for decades. Also the Republicans will get assistance from “perfectly legal” but morally abhorrent ways of making it harder to vote, such as cutting the number of polling stations, only having them open for a few days, making registering to vote harder, etc. It’s a bit like the Democrats have the better team, but the game is stacked against them and the other team is bizarrely more popular.

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Agreed, and I also agree with the general thread title, but I believe it will happen on a longer timeline than that presented in the OP. The Republican Party have set themselves up for some short-term viability through their efforts to cast doubt on the election process (and democracy itself), suppress the votes of people that don’t vote for them, and using gerrymandering to dilute the effect of the popular vote. But changing demographics are going to continue and sticking your fingers into holes in the dike will only work as long as you have enough fingers and the holes are small enough. It will catch up to them eventually.

Their underhanded tactics only stall the inevitable, but they are frustrating and damaging for as long as they are effective.

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If the Whigs win this time around our experiment in a democratic republic will be doomed…

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Sorry, but that’s just ridiculous. Losing this time around or any time around simply means you lost, not that the republic is doomed or the experiment in democracy or a republic is doomed or that there is any doomage that will happen. I would say that Republicans are doomed IF they, as a party, no longer can bring in their part of the big tent political voters that they currently have. It’s happened before and will almost certainly happen again wrt parties in the US become defunct and other parties take their place. It could happen with the Republican party. It could equally happen with the Democrat party as well. But it won’t be because they have no new ideas, it will be because voters don’t feel like the party gives them a voice anymore. And what will happen is that some other party will instead take their place.

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Has there ever been this much hatred between the two parties? There were guys like Bob Dole and John McCain who seemed concerned with civility and fairness. Is McConnel’s declaration that Republicans Senators were to “destroy the Obama Presidency” with out precedent?

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…This is what people said in 2016, 2018 and 2020.

And no doubt they’ll say in 2024, 2026 and 2028.

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Definitely. I’d say that it’s actually been worse at several points in our history. Hell, the original Democrat verse Republican party hate was worse during the Civil War if nothing else, and there have been several other times when the parties were even more vitriolic and at each other’s throats…literally, not just figuratively.

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The Capitol riot and trying a coup are surely firsts, are they not?

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I’m sure everyone here knows this line, but it fits this thread:

I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice.
– Theodore Parker (1850)

Parker was talking about the abolition of slavery, but I believe this quote applies to modern problems, as well. I wonder what Parker would think today, knowing that we are STILL struggling with the aftermath of slavery and abolition in the twenty-first century.

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I’m visiting my dad in South Carolina this week. He has mid-stage dementia. The radio station he listens to in the car is… well, my wife described it not being from the same world as us. We got in the car today, and the DJ was talking about the glory of Christ, the good news of the gospel, the peace that passes all understanding, etc. Alrighty then; my wife and I are Christians too, so while this kind of radio station wouldn’t be our choice of listening (I’m more of a classic rock, 90s rock kind of guy), I get my dad’s at a stage in his life where he finds comfort in this sort of radio broadcast.

But then the DJ jumped immediately into calling a democratic politician an “idiot,” and Democrats in general “morons” and “unhuman monsters.” And this is what the conservative movement is doing today: combining the gospel of Jesus with hatred, dehumanizing half of the country so it’s not just political disagreement, it’s a call to Armageddon. They’re preying on simple-minded people and old folks who are slowly losing their minds, making them scared of change/Democrats/the world around them.

I hear it in how my dad and step-mom talk these days. Everything is terrible, only the things from “years ago” are any good. Blacks are scum because a lot of them are more racist than any one, etc,etc,etc

I don’t know if or when this shit is destined to fail, but it’s going to bring our country down if it continues to spread.

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It was hyperbole then. 1/6 changed everything. Republicans really do want to destroy democratic institutions across America today. They know they are permanently the minority party, so they have nothing to lose. Once they get turned out of office, they will fall back on insurgency from their militias. The American Taliban.

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The Republicans will definitely fail. That’s not the problem. The problem is that they just might make everyone else fail with them.

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That’s a lot of words to explain a simplified and wrong interpretation of what motivates the Republican party in the US and conservatism in the West in general. For one, neither of those groups are monolithic. Especially in the US where we have a two party system that are each composed of a diverse set of factions.

There is a traditional axis in the political space but focusing on it to the exclusion of everything else and coming to the conclusion that certain aspects of traditional thinking are inevitably doomed is why your analysis is flawed. Furthermore, it is myopic to think that dogmatic purity tests that defy science and logic exist solely on the right.

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If McCain were here today, he would switch parties

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That too is my concerned. It’s like being stuck in an elevator with a mortally-wounded wolverine. It’s going to die, but are you going to get out of it alive? How many digits will you have left?

I don’t think he would, I expect he’d be like Mitt Romney; still a Republican but calling them out on their worst behavior.

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No he wouldn’t

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No he wouldn’t – no more than Romney, Kinzinger or Cheney are switching parties. They’re all rock-ribbed Republicans who just happen to have a degree of integrity, but if Jan. 6 didn’t convince them to change parties I can’t imagine anything will.

ETA: Ninja’d twice!

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So stealing. :smiley:

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Maybe in 1860…?