Aren’t you the one who keeps your concealed gun aimed at cab drivers giving you a ride? I doubt cabbies want crazy people bringing their guns into their cabs.
I didn’t say I thought it was a good idea – just that it might be one reason people would want a gun.
What if they use a suppressor?
These discussions always seem to start out with Why do you need…? as if every right must be justified by the need to access that right.
The reverse should be the default. Why must you take this right from me?
There is no demonstrated justification for gun-free zones. Except to create areas for safe criminal shootings and a feeling like society has somehow solved a problem. Every other place that you go in the US there may be someone, or many someones who are quietly, discretely armed.
So where are all the mass gun shootings happening? Not in your local grocery store, someone may be armed. Not in your local park, someone may be armed.
No, these shootings happen in gun-free zones, schools, colleges, hospitals and other gun-free zones where there will be no private gun owners.
If we could just get rid of those peaceful private gun owners that you don’t even know are there, everything would be fine. Right. Don’t fantasize about removing the guns from US society, that cat got out of the bag a long time ago and ain’t going back in. Learn to live with the fact that there are gun carriers almost everywhere you go.
And then ask yourself if you really feel safer in areas posted as gun free zones. Where the only people around who will be armed are the crazy unstable sort who target these safe areas for their actions.
I’m always amused at people who think guns provide protection. It’s like they’ve never heard of mass shootings at military bases or of cops being shot.
I’m also amused by those who think armed civilians will manage to stop random shooters without causing collateral damage.
Shooting a firearm accurately is hard work. Doing it in a stressful situation is hard work. Doing it when surprised is hard work.
But don’t take my word for it. Read some coroner’s reports on bad guys who were killed by police. The amount of bullets that actually strike a target is astoundingly low.
Explain thisthen.
Note the many armed civilians and police who were present at that event, which did not occur in a gun- free zone. The perpetrator was also not killed by gunfire.
Anyone want to take a stab at answering this? I would like to see what answers are given.
Doesn’t anybody remember poor Trooper?
I am law enforcement and you don’t know what you’re babbling about.
In most states carrying into a posted business is an ordinance violation not a criminal offense. The odds of being arrested for it instead of issued a citation on the scene is low. And in several states those signs have no force of law whatsoever. The worst that can happen is the armed patron can be told to leave and can only be cited if they don’t.
Wow. You have a real grasp on how things work, don’t you?
They’re not legal on campus so, by God, nobody has one! Nobody but NOBODY would dare break that law!
Every time any sort of carry law comes up, be it in public, on campus, in bars, whatever, the people who oppose it continue to be under the impression that because it’s forbidden people simply don’t do it. That couldn’t be any more false. You need only read the news to find people who get arrested and are charged with firearms violations. As usual, I am compelled to state the obvious: criminals don’t obey laws.
Furthermore, when it does pass there is never any statistical data that shows that it caused any more death or destruction than what happened prior to the law being passed. But here we are, seeing the same handwringing as usual, with the person I quoted saying in a previous post that he actively avoids places where firearms are welcome, pretending that if he looks the other direction he’ll never encounter anyone carrying a gun. Here’s the funny thing… odds are you already have, and you never even knew it.
And whenever those laws pass and years go by without any problems, the handwringers never have the honor to admit they were wrong. Whether it’s a concealed carry legalization, open carry, carry in bars, schools, colleges, etc… Every time those laws are passed they are never repealed due to problems and the antis never admit the sky didn’t fall.
And did you notice they’re more concerned about people who want to carry legally than about criminals who couldn’t possibly care less WTF the law is?
Funny how there are states which allow college campus carry or even elementary school carry yet there doesn’t seem to be huge numbers of professors shot for giving bad grades or instances of ccw permit holders shooting up schools.
If you’re referring to the shooting at Ft. Hood, you need to get your facts straight. Ordinary soldiers on base are NOT allowed to carry weapons during their normal activities.
And talking about cops-- when was the last time that somebody walked into a police station and starting shooting indiscriminately? It’s really odd how places that are known to have a high number of guns typically are not targeted. It’s almost as if criminals like soft targets.
For many, many years now, Colorado has allowed people to carry guns in bars. When was the last time that you saw a news report about a drunken Coloradan shooting up a bar?
Why do I need a gun on campus?
I ain’t taking Thermodynamics twice bitch.
Another issue with guns is that they are a draw for theft. Plenty of law-abiding gun owners have had guns stolen from them, and then the thief can go on to commit a more serious crime with the gun. A lot of theft happens on college campuses.
You win the thread. Hands down. Or is that “Hands UP!!” 
All I’m saying is that there isn’t a real need for guns on campus, and certainly not in dorms. The mix of alcohol, boredom and stupidity is pretty potent, and I’m not convinced that there’s much good to be had by allowing them, and there’s plenty of bad to be had.
So, you claim to be pro-gun, yet you would forbid young adults from even keeping guns in their own residence? That seems…not really pro-gun.
As others have said, look at the stats? Is there a problem in states that allow carry on campus? No.
And, as also was said, a person does need to prove a “real need” to exercise a right.
You’re right that a lot of thefts happen on college campuses (FYI my brother is a campus cop and told me that over half their calls involve thefts. He also supports instructors/students to legally carry BTW).
But can you explain how a lot of guns are going to get stolen on campus? Where are these guns going to be other than being carried that they are going to get stolen?