Well, I am married, have been for quite a while now, and I don’t agree with you, either. Sorry, marriage does most emphatically not imply unconditional consent. I still get to make that decision. And I’m pretty comfortable with speaking for my husband when I say he wouldn’t even consider otherwise.
Marriage means I share my body with my husband, and he shares his with me. It doesn’t confer a change of ownership.
So it’s fine to have sex with your sleeping girlfriend for the same reason?
The fuck?
I’m going to have to agree with the douchebag assertion, though i’m British so i’d probably go with arsehole. Is it your serious contention that the average woman’s definition of rape is “I wasn’t totally happy”?
So the question from posts 127 & 146 gets bounced to you then.
No, not the average woman. I know lots of women. A couple of women in this thread though, yeah.
You CANNOT touch a women unless she’s “in the mood.” Power play, pure and simple.
Most of the women I know can say “no.” Or “yes.” Whatever. The women in this thread tread their vaginas like some holy sacrament.
Really? I don’t suppose you could cite the couple of women you’re talking about? This is the Pit, we’re allowed to name names. I don’t see what you’re seeing, to be honest. And, in general, I believe I would tend to say that touching any person against their express wishes, as you have put there, is at the least possible assault.
Do you feel that touching a woman that does not want to be is perfectly acceptable? Do you not feel there can be any legitimate reasons to not be in the mood - indeed, the very idea of it is so ridiculous that it is clearly just about power?
Every woman who feels it’s rape if her husband has his way with her comatose body.
DianaG would be one. Her body is sacred, not to be defiled by her filthy husband without buying her flowers first.
As opposed to the men who really don’t have a problem with their lovers loving their bodies even when they’re not all there to accept the [del]payoff[/del] flowers.
First of all, fuck off.
Second of all, you’re basing this on your long and illustrious history of sex with women, I assume?
Third of all, fuck off, douchebag.
Well, I’ll say this. I bet I have more experience with women than you do, wench.
You really don’t see a difference between “my body is mine, not yours” and “buy me flowers”?
You have no experience with human interaction, I’m guessing.
Your tolerance for what constitutes a power play must be much lower than mine.
“If I’m not in the mood, we won’t have sex.” : Fair. Two people must consent to a two-person act.
“If I’m not in the mood, you’re not allowed to seek sex with a mistress or solicit prostitutes.” : Also fair, if your relationship is agreed to be monogamous. Doing what you promised to do, no problem there.
“You are not allowed to flirt with other women.” : Usually pretty fair, depending on how strictly it is enforced and who gets to define “flirting.”
“You are never to look at or talk to any other women.” : Unfair control-freakism.
“You are not allowed to be sexually turned on by, or appreciate the beauty of, any other woman but me.” : Batshit crazy. Nobody has control over their own biological responses.
“If I’m not in the mood, you’re not even allowed to masturbate. You will wait until I am in the mood.” : This is more toward power play, in my mind.
This is not going to be pretty.
Oh, what I see is “my body is mine and yours.”
Once you get laid, you might understand that.
By all means, stick with the feminist “all women are raped all the time” thing. It’s makes you look cute.
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Can we add misogynist to that too? Yes, I’m doing one of my “me too!” posts, but I couldn’t let this past. levdrakon, do you hear just how hateful you are acting towards women in general? Fucking sexist asswart.
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You’re classing “I wasn’t totally happy” as “I was unconscious and did not have a clue what was going on”? That’s an impressive leap.
And that’s an impressive leap of hyperbole. I’m suspecting, like me, you don’t know shit about DianaG’s marriage. So what precisely makes you think she thinks like this? Has she declared her husband filthy anywhere? Has she declared that she will not put out unless appropriate romance/payment has been put down? I believe she has not. All, in fact, we know, is that she wouldn’t want her husband to have sex with her comatose body. That you equate that with holding her body sacred, her husband filthy, and the like, would be suprising to me had you not already suggested that a woman who doesn’t want to have sex is obviously playing you. Sometimes, loverboy, women (and men) don’t want to have sex. And I rather suspect the majority do so for reasons other than having power over the other. IOW, bullshit.
Well, i’m a man (nominally), and also bi, and I for one would not want a partner of either sex to boff me whilst i’m comatose. I have to think that if it turned out I was going out with/married to a person who enjoyed having sex with me despite my lack of consent or, you know, movement, they would not be the person I thought they were.
But again we’re in luck. We can ask DianaG (as the only person you named in your “couple of women”) whether or not she considers a woman having sex with a comatose man to be rape.** DG**?
I would, as a matter of fact.
And with that, I’m out. I have a date. I anticipate it culminating with some completely consensual, highly enjoyable sex, which I expect we’ll both be fully conscious for the entirety of. 
Have a good night, everyone!
I am a woman, and I’m married, and I have to say (and in fact have just said, out loud, to the person in question*) that, if comatose, I would much rather have sex than have the bible read to me. Same as when not comatose.
I suppose now I’m going to have to put that in writing along with the DNR orders and such.
*He said, “Ewww.” I guess he’d rather read to me.
FTR, she’s a free agent.
Have a great date! I mean it! I really do!
Put that coochie out there if you want, but don’t hold it back like a prize, because if your coochie is a prize, I guarantee you he knows how to trade up.
Clearly the knowledge of which I lack includes whether it exists or not. 