Will Trump survive his treatment of Khizr and Ghazala Khan?

The Democratic Party is using them, and he’s happy to let them.

Trump attacked Khan when he said he was going to ban Muslims from entering into the country and watch Muslims and go after their family members. Khan’s appearance at the democratic convention was meaningful: he was asking Donald Trump and his supporters if his son’s sacrifice was as meaningful as the sacrifice of others. And as he has pointed out, his son sacrificed more than Donald Trump himself.

The Khan family did nothing differently than Patricia Smith at the RNC convention accusing Clinton of being completely responsible for the death of her son in Benghazi, (ignoring the fact that Republicans denied funds Clinton had requested to beef up embassy security and ignoring the fact that multiple “investigations” by the Republican dominated Congress could not find any reason to blame Clinton, specifically).

The Khan family did not make major news until Trump, (unlike Clinton who did not attack Smith), made a point of attacking them.

Moved goalposts? Nah. Typical knee-jerk responses by Trump and Trump supporters avoiding facts.

You did get one point right: it was Trump, (the over-reactive bully), just being Trump. If he had kept his mouth shut and stayed off Twitter, the MSM would have nothing to report.
(You guys really want a person who attacks Gold Star families and babies as president?)

I doubt he has been happy at all, any time recently.

Saw Paul Newman in a brief clip of him being interviewed by Whats-her-face, the one who liked to give “deep” interviews. She asks Newman about the death of his son, did it get better? There was the shortest flash of irritation on his face, then he regained full dignity and said in measured tones “It doesn’t get better. It gets different, but it doesn’t get better.”

Also, let’s not forget that Trump made up a particularly despicable lie about personally seeing “thousands” of Americans like the Khans (and their dead son) cheering the 9/11 attacks.

If it hadn’t been this, it would have been something else just as dreadful, and it almost certainly will be. The Khan incident isn’t what has capped Trump’s future - Trump’s own character has done that.

If it were a simple misstatement, some clumsy wording, by someone whose character is known to be better than that, followed by an immediate apology and clarification, it would be over already. But that isn’t how Trump acted, because he can’t.

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Everything must happen in vacuum for you guys? Who was attacking Muslims that were refugees or immigrants and questioning their patriotism all these months?* That is what Khan was responding to and also the Democrats.

What we have here is a Republican candidate that was stupid enough to attack and then double down on that attack on a Gold Star Family. That is what is driving the news now and showing also how stupid it was the xenophobia that has been driving the candidacy of Trump.

*And if you do not realize it, many Hispanic families also were slandered just the same, besides he Khans there are also many other minority families that also did sacrifice a lot. More than captain heel bone ever did.

Khan has been making the rounds today discussing the speech. As far as his law practice, he says he does offer immigration services, but that he is not very good at it and has never actually had a case involving immigration. He also pulled out the Constitution on CNN, and it’s clear he does carry it around, as it is well-worn and heavily annotated. Despite the attempts of many to smear his character, he remains eloquent and poised and seems to be a genuinely good man.

He could be an utter stinker and it wouldn’t matter. What was being done to him wasn’t because he sucked as a person, it was because he was a Muslim person.

I think that this incident establishes his ceiling, the only people who will still support him are unrepentant racists. Unfortunately, that ceiling is terrifyingly high, but fortunately, it’s not enough to win the presidency. Every four year cycle, the chance of a candidate getting to national office on the white racist vote gets less and less likely as the demographics of the country change. I suspect that we’ll never see another Republican president in my life time.

There is a huge difference between what Patricia Smith did and what the Khans did. Khizr Khan was not blaming Trump, or the American government at all, for his son’s death. He was highlighting the fact that the people Trump is scapegoating and vilifying are as loyal as any other Americans, and have greater appreciation for what America means than he does. He was not calling Trump out for his actions, but his professed beliefs, and if Trump feels awkward defending them, whose fault is that?

Nitpick: Mr. Kahn waved the U.S. Constitution. It is Mr. Trump who wants to waive it.

Nice.

Very interesting, thanks. Makes sense. A 27% crazy protest f*-it vote. Could be enough to win.

A racist, self-absorbed, insensitive jackass who has no compassion or sense of personal responsibility. I’m glad we finally agree on something.

Btw, Trump doubled down on the “I was viciously attacked” line last night on O’Reilly.

I think this will damage but not defeat Trump. When he “joked” that he could shoot someone and still get elected, he was half-right.

Even if such an incident was videotaped and posted on Twitter in minutes, Trump would just say #InnocentUntilProvenGuilty. It would cost him support, but there wouldn’t be the expected huge drop.

When Toronto (my city’s) mayor got caught on video doing crack, his support dropped to around 30%, and was actually higher during the election. People were really afraid he’d win, considering the divided opposition. While he probably would have lost the election in the end, he had to drop out due to cancer. (Toronto’s Rob Ford has a lot of qualities in common with Trump. Rude, crude, extremely right wing, born wealthy and stayed wealthy due to business experience, a collection of obvious personal flaws, oodles of charisma.)

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Right, but that was AFTER he was elected, and against divided opposition. Getting 35% of the vote can win you an election against three opponents - and, let’s be honest, mayor of a city, even a big one, is the minor leagues compared to national politics. Municipal politicians, with a few exceptions, are the people who were too stupid to make it in provincial/state or national politics. If they’re not stupid they usually get called up to the big leagues.

Donald Trump is not “extremely right wing,” nor was Rob Ford. Ford was conservative by the standard of people who live in downtown Toronto, insofar as a municipal councilor can be, but was no fascist. Trump has no ideology at all. Trump would cheerily embrace Marxism if he thought it would make him money and stroke his ego.

That actually not true, and extremely insulting to people who choose to serve their communities at the local level, for a myriad of reasons.