So God wants to increase our nuclear stockpile? God wants us to turn our backs on our friends and mock people with disabilities? God wants us to accept that groping women is acceptable under any circumstance, as is lying, cheating and deceiving others? God wants us to treat Muslims and Mexicans differently than our neighbors?
God’s okay with all that? Not very Christian of him.
How many chances?
Until when?
- I’m in the “this question is pretty much meaningless” camp. He doesn’t need my permission to do what he’ll do. My approval or disapproval is going to result from what he does. He doesn’t need some empty space, free from criticism or judgment, to take action.
- There have been times in my life when I’ve asked people to “give me a chance.” Or “another chance.” I think without exception I was given a chance to the degree I showed a willingness/ability to change the behavior in question - and, even more fundamentally, to admit that my past behavior was wrong or hurtful. If Trump does those things, sure - he gets another chance.
But “give him a chance,” right now, seems like writing him a blank check for further bad behavior. To hell with that noise.
By chance (people were asking about my clarity), I mean something like will you consider him the president or not?
I can show you examples of people who wanted to not give him a chance. Protesters after the election, at the electoral college, and protesters on December 20th.
So are you with the protesters or the people who aren’t protesting and taking the results as valid?
And CarnelK, there was going to be a poll, but I won’t make one cause the thread did it’s purpose, even without the poll.
A lot of the protests are to let Trump know that he doesn’t have the support of the entire populace, or to encourage their Representatives and Congressmen to do the right ting and not just roll over when Trump says/does something stupid/evil, or to gain a voice in the national media to state their concerns. Would you have all these people who object to things Trump has done or stated that he is going to do just stay home silently and “give him a chance”? As others have already stated, both in this thread and in an uncountable number of other places, he has already blown his chances many times, so I ask again: How many chances does he get to blow? Until when?
edited to add: he was elected President, not King or Emperor-Questioning him is a fundamental right.
I don’t have to give him a chance. He’s not waiting on me. He wakes up every day with the opportunity to be good but chooses not to every single day.
This isn’t a situation where no one knows if plan A or B is best so we give them a chance and see which works. This is a situation where he’s sworn to fuck the country up in every way possible. If he were to do something smart, mature, or beneficial to the country, it would be a complete 180 degree reversal of everything he’s ever done or promises to do.
I’m not even sure what “giving him a chance” means. I won’t assassinate him before he takes office, if that’s what you mean.
If you mean “shut up and stop criticizing the terrible choices he is currently making as our Head of State and the evil things he constantly says”, I’ll shut up as soon as you do.
Trump will be given every opportunity to prove his detractors wrong.
Up and until such time as he proves himself too dangerous or too incompetent.
We will know soon enough what he does with the chance he’s been given.
The vast, vast majority of the country will recognize him as the President of the United States in 24 hours.
There’s probably a pretty good number of Americans who think that Trump won the election unfairly, or that his win was not convincing, for various reasons. But even most of these people ultimately recognize that he DID win the election, even though they may wish to put an asterisk next to the election results.
I’m guessing that the number of people who deny that Trump will be the President in 24 hours is like single digit percentages. Why do these fringe views bother you so much?
A push. I’ll give him a push.
I’ll give him a much of a chance as the Republicans gave President Obama.
That’s a strange viewpoint you got there, the protesters aren’t saying he’s not president. Some are saying he’s not legitimate, but that’s different. I won’t be at the protests because I’m not in the US, but we’re hosting about 12 protesters coming to DC (I made a bunch of chili for it and put it in the freezer). I think Trump is likely impeachable from day one and will work to get control of congress to see that happen and I will do everything in my power to try to diminish his stature so that he has a hard time realizing his policy goals.
All we are saaaaaaayiiiiing…
I will respond to things he says and does as I feel appropriate. I will not automatically oppose everything he proposes no matter what, unlike the GOP’s response to the previous administration, but he has already used up any honeymoon period/benefit of the doubt I may have given him via his actions, statements and cabinet choices since the election. Whether that approach constitutes “giving him a chance” or not is left as an exercise for the reader.
Unusually for you, this idea has full Biblical support. I give you Romans 13:
I admit that in this particular instance the ways in which God is moving are particularly strange and mysterious, but there you go. (OTOH, one can get one’s jollies by reminding Republicans that God wants them to pay taxes.)
Okay, now we have some clarity. Yes, he won the election, and will become President of the US in a few hours. I don’t see how this fits into any of the varied ways to define “give someone a chance,” but there you have it.
“Not My President” is denying reality. We’re Americans. Trump met the constitutional minimum requirements for the office of President, and garnered a majority of the electoral votes…ergo, he’s our President.
But that doesn’t mean that we have to accept every reprehensible aspect of his character or every catastrophic or idiotic policy he tries to enact; and it’s the duty of every patriotic American to protest, vigorously.
And as soon as the House of Representative grows some balls, and Trump crosses some threshold that even Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell can’t stomach, he won’t be our President.
File this under “Some More of God’s Greatest Mistakes.”
And who is this God person, anyway? 
In the year 2525…
Given the things Trump has already done (see madmonk’s post #12 for some examples), I’m not sanguine that there exists such a threshold for a Republican.
I will take him as president unless some evidence emerges that shows the election tallies were manipulated, which I consider extremely unlikely. And sure, of course, if something happens and after assuming office he happens to be a good president, well, that’s great and I’ll recant saying that he is going to be terrible. However, based on what he’s done so far, this seems extremely unlikely.
He did a nice job with the fjords. All those fiddle little bits…
I’m going to attempt to engage in an experiment.
Upon waking tomorrow morning (Inauguration Day), I am going to begin to formulate my view of the new POTUS as if I have just woken from a 60-year coma, and have no concept of who Donald J. Trump is. I will not use historical information to color my new interpretation of who the man is.
Instead, I will try to document an objective view of him based on public statements and policy positions put forth beginning tomorrow. I think this tabula rasa approach is probably the most fair (albeit nearly nonsensical) way to go about “giving him a chance!”