Why wouldn’t I call his stamina human? I figure that, without the healing factor, his stamina would be human. And I don’t know you, but I figure your stamina – and mine, and an Olympic champion’s – would each be, correctly, called “human”.
And I figure Captain America has more stamina than that.
Wolverine’s other powers don’t descend from his healing factor.
His strength, endurance, and senses are all enhanced as different powers. His claws are also not part of the healing factor (although that’s a Necessary Secondary Power to them).
And Wolverine doesn’t just have experience as a fighter, he has training. He’s been a soldier in multiple wars.
Wolverine entry at Marvel Comics database. Note the power grid on the top right side of the entry. He’s got both official and fan-voted power estimates.
Captain America(Steve Rogers) entry at Marvel Comics database. Also a power grid with official and fan-voted power estimates.
% - Official ranking
* - Fan Vote
All items are on a scale of 1-7
Wolverine
Intelligence
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Strength
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Speed
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Durability
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Energy Projection
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Fighting Skills
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Captain America(Steve Rogers)
Intelligence
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******
Strength
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Speed
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******
Durability
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******
Energy Projection
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****
Fighting Skills
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When considering only the official ratings, Cap has greater intelligence and fighting skills. He’s behind on durability and strength. If you take away the durability then all you’ve done is put Cap up against a opponent who is a smidge stronger than he is, but significantly less skilled and less intelligent. He’s taken down hundreds of supervillians who met those criteria.
On the other hand, Wolverine has taken down lots of people smarter than he is too, there’s something to be said for brute strength. I think this really comes down to if you really do take away the healing factor, and what version of the healing factor you use. There were some times when Wolverine’s healing factor would do ridiculous things like keep him from drowning or survive even if he was shot point blank by machine guns(as referenced above) and chunks of his head were blown away only to regenerate in a fraction of a second. That level of durability would be tough to overcome by anyone, even Cap.
Enjoy,
Steven
Marvel has gone back and forth on whether Logan has super-strength. He shouldn’t. Those database rankings are inconsistent and riddled with errors. They rate Kitty Pryde’s intelligence at a 10, up there with Reed Richards, and Hank McCoy at around a 7. They have no value to anyone who isn’t actively playing an RPG.
Depriving Wolverine of his healing factor us pretty much like taking Cap’s shield. Anyway, the answer is " Whoever makes for a better story."
Last I saw, both Wolverine and Captain America were listed as “peak human strength”. In fact, Cap is “peak human” pretty much across the board. He’s the defining point of “metahuman”: Anyone who’s better than Cap in some way is, by virtue of that, super.
I can’t help but note that the fans have given Wolverine four ranks in “Energy Projection.”
As bad as comic writers can sometimes be with their interpretations of someone’s powers, this says all one really needs to know about fans voting for and debating powers.
Without reading the thread:
Cap fights to stall and delay, staying mainly on the defensive. Perhaps using the shield to break a few appendages to move things along. Once Logan is exhausted, Cap moralizes at him until he either flees or they go out for drinks.
He can’t break appendages. At most, he could hope to dislocate a few joints. If Cap’s shield hits Wolvie’s skeleton, all that will happen will be a loud “CLANG!”, with both unharmed.
The flesh between the edge of the shield and the bone will be much worse for the wear. Concussions do not depend on breaking bones. Neither do joint locks or use of pressure points. Breaking bones is desirable in an balls-out fight to the finish, but it is not essential. Also, are we sure Wolverine has the adamantium reinforced bones for this fight? In continuity it has come and gone several times, IIRC. Magneto stripped it out of him once, I know for sure.
Yes, this is Wolverine with laced skeleton. He has no healing factor, thats the only stipulation.
Thanks. I still give it to Cap. The bones themselves, some of them anyway, may be reinforced with adamantium, but the skeleton as a whole is still held together with soft tissue. Some parts of the skeleton have to be relatively loosely put together and/or made of flexible materials to function properly. Logan’s ribcage still has to flex and expand for example, or he won’t be able to breathe. Cap, who is a highly skilled combatant, would quickly learn to target joints rather than bones and to go after the soft bits of the body. If Logan gets punched in the face, or catches the edge of Cap’s shield there, his skin will split and he will bleed. The muscles underneath will be crushed and bruised. His eyes are as soft and vulnerable as anybody else’s. His adamantium skull won’t change any of that.
Last I heard–and they may have changed it since then, Lord knows comics change things often enough–Cap’s shield was the ultimate unbreakable object in the Marvel Universe. It’s a unique material, harder than anything. Adamantium was an unsuccessful attempt to duplicate the material of the shield, and got Almost-But-Not-Quite there.
In short, are we sure that Cap’s shield couldn’t break Wolverine’s bones? It’s harder and more durable than they are.
Why doesn’t Wolverine get his healing factor? Usually in superhero vs fights, you don’t intentionally cripple one side or another. Just like in batman vs superman, you assume batman has had time to prepare and definitely has kryptonite ready.
In any case, can’t Cap shoot wolverine in the head and at least temporarily incapacitate him long enough to cuff him? Wolverine doesn’t use firearms generally, does he?
As for Caps shield vs wolverine’s bones : I’d rule it as the shield can’t break the bones (adamantium is “unbreakable”) and the claws can’t scratch the shield (vibranium is unobtanium)
Cap only has his shield, as I mentioned in the OP. No guns.
As for why I took away his healing, well, I wanted to see if maybe he would fight differently knowing that he could get hurt and die. I thought it might even things up a bit, but it appears that I may have made it too much of an advantage for Cap though.
Both adamantium and the shield have remarkable, nigh-absolute, durability. Neither of them has remarkable capability for inflicting damage. Wolverine’s claws are equivalent to really high-quality well-sharpened knives, like the ones you can get from the overpriced knife stores online. The only offensive advantage they get from their material is that they stay well-sharpened, no matter what they cut. The shield is even less so, since its edge isn’t blade-sharp. So, like I said, just a really loud CLANG.
No, I think more of a wet crunch. Logan’s bones are metallic, not his soft tissues.
Wolverine regularly cuts through steel doors and whatnot with his claws (which, apropos of nothing, were called "talons’ in his early apparances). They shouldn’t be able to; he doesn’t have the muscle to exert that much force. But that’s comics for you.
Likewise, Cap’s shield shouldn’t convey as great an advantage as it does. Both Spider-Man and Mr. Hyde have had trouble with him because of it. Yeah, neither of them can damage it – but you’d think Spidey would just catch in in mid-throw, and Hyde rip it out of his hands, and in either case either toss it a mile away or use it against it…
Yeah, but like I said, I thought that Cap’s shield was even more unbreakable–the most unbreakablest thing of all, even! 
Is it comics canon now that the shield is pure vibranium? I know that’s what the movies say, but my understanding of the comics has always been that the shield is an alloy of vibranium and some unknown, never-duplicated metal that is harder than anything, even adamantium.