The false rape society: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/
Would you like to apply the same standard to women who kill their husbands?
What is your judgment about her actions?
You’re quite right in that, but here, we haven’t had even ONE round of questioning, all we have is what blogger wrote. We haven’t spoken to her, or to him. So judgement should all the more be reserved, right?
If the thread was about them, sure. The thread is not about them.
The thread is about the appropriateness of putting such a damaging accusation out to the world.
More information will always help us. Whether its credible or has to be totally discounted we don’t know. But what, you’re suggesting that because you think the guy will lie, we shouldn’t even ask?
Because it might traumatise the blogger we can’t even ask her to clarify at all?
That’s not a very realistic position is it.
No, what we do is we speak to her, we speak to him, we speak to others that were there asking all sorts of questions, then we make a judgement, which is also going to be coloured by our own experiences, on what we feel is the most likely scenario.
What we don’t do is say. Well, she blogged it. It’s fact. Let’s hang him out to dry without investigating further.
Well I could counter that a woman that goes around plopping her butt in other guy’s crotches is so clueless about appropriate professional / behaviour that her account also cannot be trusted.
But the fact of the matter is, it can - the problem when you speak in moral absolutes is that you do both parties a disfavour.
The truth of the matter is likely to lay somewhere in the middle
Send me a a gob of money to put in my wheelbarrow and I’ll priss myself up and and insult your mother as I sashay into the bar.
Thing is, she really shouldn’t have blogged with such details before talking to the cops. Real or Perceived, she should have kept things underwraps until the copts were talked too.
Two, reading her other blog post about her marriage, it isn’t exactly clear, but her husband sounds like he had alot of health issues or mental/brain issues and wasn’t there for her in the woo-woo department. So, she is probably sending off more signals than a 4th of July Fireworks barge in a room full of drunk engineers. I’m not giving them permission to gang bang or do bukkake. She probably was acting like a teenager at her first party and totally digging all the male attention. Given the decision between talking shop over beers or watching one of the few chicks in the room twirl and flirt around the room and sit on laps, what would you (The Drinking Engineer) rather do?
Thirdly, is it common to bring people back to your room for beer pong and stuff? I mean, do rooms have ping pong tables or big enough tables for such activities?
Fourthly, if she were black and he were black (or any other color than white), would this have made the rounds?
What is our judgment of her actions? I think that a Google employee has a hell of a lot more to lose than an average person by lying publicly on the internet. For this alone, she has more than average credibility.
So now we are going to judge them based on “who has the most to lose by lying”?
yeah, I guess that’s going to work out well
Rachel, I wasn’t asking you but thanks for answering anyway.
My question is to you with the face. Since you think he is a flaming asshole for what he did, what do you have to say about her for the way she acted?
You seem to be plenty judgemental. Just not towards the guy.
Like I said before, if you were skeptical and just that, I would have no problem with your posts. But you keep bouncing between skepticism and victim-blaming. Whichever seems most convenient to your argument of the moment is what gets trotted out in your posts. Either she’s lying/mistaken due to alcohol-induced confusion, or she provoked him, led him on, put herself in a risky situation, etc. This smacks of having a bias against the accuser, not being the disinterested observer of the facts that you seem to think you are.
What amazes me is that you really seem to think you’re being objective.
Actually, from the start this thread was been about hanging her out to dry. Read the OP and keep going.
Tell me what actions of hers you want me to characterize.
(I think you know exactly what I’m talking about)
Sitting on various men’s laps for example.
Is it also OK to talk about the guy in question having a dry spell and enjoying female attention, and just acting like a teenager?
Assuming her sitting on their laps was fully consensual and she wasn’t invading their space and making them feel uncomfortable, then at worse, this behavior can be called unprofessionally flirty. I’d assume she was sitting on the laps of guy’s she knew and considered buddies. While such behavior could give a judgemental stranger the impression that the blogger is a good-time girl and not a serious IT professional, for all I know, the culture of their organization encourages juvenile comraderie and horseplay that would make her behavior a non-issue workwise.
Which means in a discussion about an alleged sexual assault, I find it silly that people keep harping about the whole lap-sitting thing.
What other actions do you want me to talk about, RedPill. Her drinking? I’ve had a few drinks at conferences and even have gotten tipsy (gasp!). Probably not the best thing to do, but it’s not a character flaw to drink.
What else did she do that warrants talking about? Flirting with people? Well that’s an easy one to characterize. That makes her a flirt. Maybe even a shameless flirt. Scary, I know. Still not anywhere close to flaming asshole, but with all the shameless flirts running the streets nowadays, the world feels so unsafe.
Thank you.
A shameless flirt encounters a flaming asshole. What are the odds?
How does this even make sense to you? People do bone-headed things all the time. That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be believed when they say something bad happens to them.
And…? I’m waiting for you to tell us what your conclusion is. Because I’d hate to think that you think a shameless flirt is equally culpable as a flaming asshole when it comes to an assault taking place against the former by the latter.
And I suppose it’s better to judge based on the default assumption that flirtatious behavior=asking to be assaulted?
They both have a lot to lose by lying, he works for Twitter. His silence is actually pretty condemning. If it weren’t true, she should have been slapped with a libel lawsuit by now.
Has it occurred to you that the reason is because most posters don’t want to be accused of being “pro-rapist” by admitting that women ever lie about it? Women lying about rape is an elephant in the living room for our society; we aren’t supposed to admit it happens no matter how blatant. We’re supposed to pretend women are morally superior to men and would never lie about something like that. You also presume that the women in question “singled them out” instead of picking them just because they were convenient or fitted a profile. The Unnamed Scary Black Man being a classic. And if some black guy gets hauled in because he fits the profile what are the odds she cares if an innocent man is sent to prison?
You are funny. I didn’t draw any conclusions. Its just a well balanced interpretation of facts as derived from her blog, that we can all agree upon.
A married, drunk, shameless flirt got groped by the flaming asshole, drunk guy whose lap she was sitting in.
That said, I don’t know if this qualifies as assault, maybe it does.
Actually, isn’t it best to judge after talking to BOTH parties, and anyone else that might have something marginally relevant to add?
Yeah, and taking her on with a libel case is really going to make this go away faster?
You really think he’s going to be on anything other than a hiding to nothing by trying to prove that this was libellious.
And finally, if you take his unwillingness to take her on in the courts as proof of his guilt, isn’t the other side of the coin, something that you may not want to consider, that HER failure to report him to the police is proof of his innocence?
I missed this on the first go round…
has anybody, anybody at all in this thread made any sort of claim even approximating flirtatiouis behaviour = asking to be assaulted.
That’s why guys can’t talk about these issues and don’t get involved.
It always degenerates to:
Guy: I want to hear more
screaming feminazi: What the fuck do you mean you rape supporter who keeps his wife barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, she said it happened, what else do you need to know.
In my case I don’t feel victimized. I admit I used bad judgment getting myself into the situation I got into, learned a lesson from it.
I also wouldn’t have described the scenario in a public blog.