This sounds fishy as hell.
Der Trihs and Redhill, I invite you two to read through the Ask The Rape Victim thread.
And I will add that you guys are fucking clueless in your opinions about rape. Completely, totally, fucking clueless.
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I think it’s a mistake to assume that all rapists share motivations. I have no trouble believing that there are many rapists who rape because of the power, many rapists who rape because they want to fuck someone and many rapists who rape because they want to fuck someone and because of the power.
Trust me, no rape, or robbery, or kidnapping, or shooting, or scamming, or cheated on by spouse, victim ever highlights his/her own contribution - in case it exists, however small - to the incident.
Humans beings do not like taking responsibility, because it supposedly takes away from the wrongfulness of the act.
But it doesn’t have to be that way. We can keep the outrage and penalty for these crimes but at the same time strive to prevent further incidents by taking common sense precautions.
Here’s a cite. It happens in the Congo.
Redpill, these seem to be rapes where both erections are involved (i.e., penile/vaginal sex) and then there is the introduction of objects. So it definitely doesn’t seem like it’s just a case of being turned on. It seems more like the guy wanting to defile and hurt the woman as much as he can–whether that’s through a penis or through an object.
I don’t know why its necessary to find the most extreme examples in other continents whose rules and customs hardly apply to North America and is hardly reflective of the majority of rape cases to support your argument, but I’ll play.
Even in this case, assuming the reporting is accurate, just the fact he had an erection means he was aroused by her body, simple as that. Of course following through with serious physical assault as planned all along because of some other reason.
Now would you like to talk about the vast majority of rape cases where guy does not hurt the woman further after he gets what he wants?
If you want to know what goes on in people’s minds, there are a ton of “rape fantasy” websites. While I imagine the vast majority of people who frequent these websites have no real-life interest in committing rape, I think some of the same basic “kink” is there.
In any case, in the copy on these things, it’s rarely about how “beautiful” the girl is. They may mention that the girl is “cute” or “hot,” but that takes second place to the real subject of interest- how “brutal” or “humiliated” the girl is, and how she is "destroyed,“hurt,” etc. The focus is on the lack of consent, the power-play, and the sense of doing harm.
And if you think about it, if the power-dynamic was not the key focus, why would these websites even exist? People could just look at normal porn and not risk getting caught looking at skeevy stuff.
I think the issue here is that you don’t understand that some people find lack of consent, on it’s own, sexually stimulating. So yeah, it is about sex. But not sexuality the way that most people think of it.
Here’s the last time we did this - fun for the whole family.
[If you are a male who thinks rape is about sex, not power](If you are a male who thinks rape is about sex, not power)
This applies to female rape fantasies as well. Being overpowered is the appeal. The sex itself simply is a means to the end. Is it really that hard to see that the flipside version of this is being turned on by overpowering someone?
Apparently it is for some here. :rolleyes: Rarely have I read so much idiocy in one sitting. Why does rape have to be about sex or power? It’s both, with power being the main focus. The sexual aspect of it is a tool (no pun intended); it’s a means to an end–and that end is humiliation and hurt.
I’d stay and chat, but it’s dark out now, so I must be at home and hearth, to prevent any [del]man[/del] rapist with Evil on his mind from being tempted by soccer mom me. That is what redpill is talking about: how WOMEN can constrain themselves (act like a lady, dress modestly) and their behavior(no public drinking, no being out after dark or alone) in order to keep men in line. It’s sexist as hell against both genders. It’s woman as Temptress and man as the helpless victim.
Seriously–what’s next, burqas?
Its very interesting that you perceive the value of sex lower than the value of humiliation and hurt. You don’t think a guy would risk doing time for sex but he will just to humiliate and hurt someone. We might be on to something. Is this a defense mechanism?
To me its like a person who just got mugged for his money complaining about the robber using the robbery as an excuse to be rude and hurt his feelings.
a) Don’t flatter yourself.
b) If you ever find yourself in danger, just start talking (IMHO).
Given that sex is more easily procured than humiliation or hurt (to the degree that rapists are willing to use both), I don’t think a guy will risk jail time just for sex. I also think that since the vast majority of rapes are not reported (or fall into that lovely, convenient gray area of “date rape”), most rapists aren’t thinking about jail time and probably assume they won’t be caught or prosecuted.
What defense mechanism are you referring to? How is perceiving power and sex to be intertwined in rape a defense mechanism?
And this explains a great deal about your POV re rape and women.
This explains the remainder.
If that was true there would be more reports of guys just going up to random women, punching them a few times and running away. On the other hand there are plenty of instances of guys relying on drunkenness and drugs to have sex. But feel free to believe whatever works for you, this is IMHO.
Oh, good god. Please don’t tell me you think of rape, or your perception of a woman’s susceptibility to rape (i.e. her level of attractiveness) as form of flattery. Who in their right mind would even entertain the idea that a victim would take it as some kind of sick compliment???
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Redpill said just that earlier in the thread.