Women Dopers - How Do you Read this Situation ?

Sorry, rambling post.

In the past month, I’ve spent a lot of time with a new female colleague. I had begun to think that she was showing some romantic interest in me. Now, it seems that I was wrong about it, but I really don’t know what to think.

She’s dropped by office almost daily since the beginning of this month. At first, she always had a legitimate professional reason to see me. It was always resolved in a matter of minutes but she would stay and chat with me for a long time afterwards. We would talk about our respective childhoods, studies and families. And laugh. A lot. She would always wait until the very last moment before a meeting to leave my office, blushing and bumping into things while doing so.

As the weeks passed, she stayed longer and longer and talked about a whole lot of very intimate things. As a matter of fact, she’s come to my office every single day this week, occasionally 2-3 times on the same day. None of her recent visits had anything to do with work. I reckon that in the past 4 days, we must have spent at least 6-7 (working) hours chatting and laughing. She has always been the one initiating contact, to the point where other colleagues started noticing.

She showed me pictures of trips with her parents on our very first conversation, mentioned that I wasn’t old at all when I remarked that I had almost 12 years on her, suggested a present for my birthday, marvelled at all the things we have in common and thanked me repeatedly for our “nice” conversations. When she heard that my mother tongue was French, she asked if it was ok if we spoke French together for her to practice (turns out she’s almost perfectly fluent). When I told her that I reacted differently depending on the language I used, she said that we should revert to English because she had to know « the other LEDS ». And did I mention that we laughed a lot ? After I few days like this I suggested we meet outside of work. She blushed again, seemed embarrassed (but not offended) and ended up saying « It depends on when ».

Over the weeks, I’ve tried to determine whether there was someone in her life. She mentioned that she was thinking of buying a flat… with her sisters. She’s had some serious health issues and said that her sisters were helping her with groceries and household chores. She stays at work until really late and comes even at times when she could work from home. No mention of a boyfriend, ever - although I did notice that she wore inconsistently something that could have been an engagement ring.

But then, a couple of hours ago, as she was talking about some serious issue she’s encountered at work, she mentioned that she « had someone ». I asked her what that « someone » thought of the situation she was describing and she flatly said « I don’t want to talk about him ». That was the first time she refused to talk to me about a particular subject. I respected her wish but I was shattered.

So women dopers, how do you read this ? See a colleague for hours at the time over weeks, share extremely intimate details, miss dozens of obvious opportunities to talk about your fiancé and then refuse to talk about him after mentioning his existence almost by accident? I’m at a loss.

What would you like to happen?

If you want to have a relationship, just tell her that you like her and ask if she’s free to date you. (I know you suggested that you ‘meet out of work’, but your intention may not have been clear to her.)

I realise that this may be a big step for you, but you’re not making any progress at present.

Good luck!

She sounds a little bit too aggressive considering you are at work. Is there any possible motive you can see for her to want to get close to you? Besides the normal sex thing or falling for you. I had an almost identical situation age difference and all, I was 33 and she was 21. I was married at the time and could feel myself starting to fall for her. Turns out she was a serial homewrecker that targeted older men. And she was very good at it.

Sounds like she’s maybe in the middle of a breakup and needing something to make her feel better–this something would be your attention. I agree that upfront is best, tell her you find her attractive and you’d like to date and is she free to do so and does she feel the same about you? Then whatever answer she gives is how you get on with it. Good luck!

My take: It sounds as though she’s attracted to you but, for whatever reason(s), is not available or not ready to actually date you.

If your acquaintance was in a purely social context, I’d suggest pushing on the issue a bit. Tell her directly, “You know, I think you’re a lot of fun and very attractive, and I’d like to go out with you. Will you join me for dinner on Friday?” or some such.

If she wouldn’t give you a direct acceptance to such a direct invitation, then I’d counsel backing off because she’s probably somewhat unavailable and/or confused. Relationships where two people who are quite well acquainted with each other can’t easily arrive at a clear mutual understanding even on the basic matter of whether/when to have dinner together don’t generally have a high success rate.

This being a co-worker situation, I advise skipping straight to step (2) above. Other colleagues are already noticing your evident interest in each other, and if you get into some kind of dating drama with lack of transparency and a possible third party involved, that’s just going to make things worse. Do not even consider dating any co-worker that you can’t discuss matters clearly and straightforwardly with.

I don’t know what the whole deal is with your obviously attracted and inexplicably reticent co-worker, but I do know that it’s inconsiderate and/or clueless of her to be making this so complicated for you. Continue to be cordial and friendly, but remember that the important thing here is that you keep in mind that she’s being a bit of a mess, not that you figure out or fix exactly what the mess is.

Yeah, she’s playin’ you. For what reason? There are a 1000 reasons. It may not be bad or nefarious, just odd.
I’d tell her “Our co-workers are noticing you’re in my office alot, maybe we should back down here at work.” Add an invite for an afterwork meet up, if you want to explore it further.
Good luck.

Well, I got an email from her this morning, which, as a matter of fact, she had sent shortly after we parted yesterday. She thanked me again for our nice conversations in French and apologized for staying so long (because she doesn’t know where to put limits when she’s at ease). On the whole, it still sounded pretty neutral and non-commital.

I replied that we could indeed time our meetings better but that she was welcome in my office : I can’t deny that I’ve grown fond of her. Fifteen minutes later I heard the door open… I was quite taken aback as I knew that she wasn’t supposed to work at that hour. For her part, she knew I wasn’t going to be available after the early morning. As often, she had a legitimate, but trivial, reason to be here. One thing I noticed is that she insisted a lot on my career plans (she may be younger than me but she has far more academic and professional achievements). She seemed visibly pleased to hear that I was planning to develop the more “ambitious” aspect of my job - which is true, by the way. She mentioned that we would probably see each other less in the coming weeks as she’s going to be quite busy, but was still eager to see me on Monday. I really have no idea where this is all going.

I guess that my cluelessness boils down to this :

(1) The frequency of her visits. At first, I thought that she just wanted to make friends and was careful to be friendly-but-neutral. Then, I suspected that she really just wanted to practice her French. But we’ve seen each other for hours 8 or 9 days in the past three weeks and every single day this week. I reckon that I must have spent almost a quarter of my working hours talking to her since Monday. It would take an extrememely dedicated person to try so hard. Obviously, she likes being with me, trusts me and loves practicing her speaking skills in French but… to that extent, really ?

(2) The “mystery someone”. That bothers me, of course. We’ve talked for hours about intimate subjects, why didn’t she bring that up, even just casually ? Buying a flat (with her sisters) ? No mention of him. The help and support she gets from her relatives following her illness ? No mention of him. Needing someone to drive her back home from work when she feels weak ? No mention of him. Having children one day perhaps ? No mention of him. Not wanting to work abroad ? No mention of him. And of course her hesitation when she finally had to mention him yesterday (tip of her fingers on the bridge of nose, awkward smile, mumbling “I’m not sure I should say this”) and her bluntness in asserting that she didn’t want to talk about him. Why ?

(3) The suddenness of her interest (of whatever nature) in me. I first met her in the spring through her team and she barely acknowledged me. Then, I didn’t see her for months and had practically forgotten about her. Come November and we suddenly have legitimate reasons to work together and in a matter of hours, she starts telling me about her life and come to my office on a daily basis.

Come to think of it, she’s talked a couple of times about the need for some stability in her life, although she didn’t really expand on that.

My best guess is that she is not available to date, as she is stuck in an unhappy relationship. So she is looking for some of the things one can get from a healthy relationship (emotional sharing, laughter) but isn’t free to take it any further than “office buddy”. That might or might not be a conscious thing on her part.

What you should do depends on what “good outcomes” would be for you.

Do you enjoy having an office buddy?
Do you feel like she’s leading you on, and you want a romantic relationship or nothing?

Confess your confusion in regards to her relationship status, and acknowledge you’re developing feelings for her. Ask for some clarity on her status. Be direct and ask if she’s just wanting a friendship or if there is any room for something else to develop.

Yes, it’s a risk. But it would be the smart thing to do in my opinion.

Good Luck.

If only there were someone who would have definitive answers to the questions you are pondering.

Actually, there is. Hint: it ain’t us.

Talk to her.

IAAW and to me she sounds unsettled, I’m always wary of someone who comes on strong and uninhibited in conversation at the get go. I would wonder why is she spilling her guts in such a manner, latching on and pursuing a ine of intimate conversations, it seems to have progressed rather quickly and in the workplace which is kind of weird. Ok she may genuinely have feelings for you, or she may be confused due to her personal issues which it seems she has some. Now she’s being coy and backing out yet playing you still.

This is what it boils down to. From what you’ve said about her, she may not react well (whatever *well *is in this instance) to a direct approach, but YOU need to take a direct approach for your own mental health. With all the attention she’s giving you, the next logical step is for you to take it to the next level, namely, ask her out. She’s giving you every signal that that is what she is expecting. The door is wide open. This is very flirtatious behavior IMHO.

HOWEVER if you DO take that step, invite her on an actual date, and she turns you down, then I’d press for further clarity AND back off. Is she available to date you? Office romances are such a terrible idea. (Voice of experience.) When things go bad, you can’t avoid the person, and it’s just icky.

Don’t say stuff like, “People are noticing,” etc. Make it clear what YOU want and find out if she wants the same thing. Bringing other people’s opinions into it will not help your cause.

Do keep us posted. This is getting interesting…

Some years back, I had much the same thing happen to me and given that I was 63 and she 27 (and hot) it was incredibly flattering. However, I’m married and she knew it so there were no “hints” at any form of “dating”. I know she was drawn to me such that others in our office started noticing. Looking back her attraction was working with someone who “had all the answers” due to my experience. While I have to admit it was tempting there was NFW I was going to ruin my marriage.

She got a promotion to a satellite office quite some distance away to that has all went away by itself.

Well, I was talking to one of the persons who is on her team and who also happen to be a good friend. I asked her (not altogether innocently I must admit) how the vibe was like in the team and, without prompting on my part, she mentioned that said colleague was “talking about you all the time”. She said that with a big grin which could have meant anything from : “I see that you two are really hitting it off” to “Come on, tell me what’s going on !”

I’m sorry, but you keep avoiding** just asking her**!

Instead you’ve:

  • run theories in your head
  • asked female Dopers here
  • asked someone on her team
  • tried to interpret what the team member said

Please do NOT try:

  • asking an agony column
  • looking her up on social media
  • consulting a psychic (not recommended)
  • hacking her computer (illegal)
  • secretly following her around (illegal)

I think the biggest favor you can do for yourself is to NOT over think this. Don’t be your own worst enemy. And remember, rejection in not the end of the world.

Just ask her out.

Yeah, overthinking has always been my problem. I’ll try and take it easy this time.

Well, I may not have the chance to as she said she was going to have a lot of work soon and thus little time for our conversations, which she still wants to keep however.

I must admit that I idly googled her name last week. Nothing out of the ordinary, almost exclusively her academic and work experience. No picture with “someone” either.

Not my thing.

Needless to say, those two are right out.

Either ask her out or don’t, depending on how you feel about dating coworkers.

Does your workplace actually care if any work gets done? I can’t imagine any office I’ve ever worked in being okay with a worker chit chatting away for hours on end in someone else’s office day after day. Aside from romantic entanglements, it doesn’t sound like she cares very much about her job.

Hand her your cell phone and ask her to take a flattering photo of you. She will naturally ask what it is for. Tell her it is for a dating website. This will turn the conversation in the direction you want and let her know you could be off the market if she does not act.