Friend Jake,
All attraction is subjective.
Honestly, as I’ve gotten older the young chickies don’t do as much for me as women more my age. I’m in my early 40’s and honestly modern women in their 20’s don’t do as much for me as a well put together woman between 35-50. There are obviously some exceptions (Selena Gomez) but for the most part as I’ve gotten older so has my tastes. Unfortunately, I’m sure that will stop at some point.
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In my estimation, Katey Sagal peaked somewhere between 45 and 55 and still looks pretty darn good at 59.
The reality is most women’s appearances peak in their teens and 20s. The reason I posted this thread is because a minority do peak later, and I was wanting to hear other people’s opinions.
I don’t know if JLD is strictly due to makeup. Her face in general is much better in her 40s than in her 20s. In her 20s she was cute, in her 40s she is really stunning.
Except for the fact that sometimes they’re smiling and sometimes not, and sometimes they’re wearing different make up and hairstyles, in those particular pictures they look exactly the same to me.
And you shared it, not as an opinion, but as objective truth:
“My opinion is objectively true, and therefore yours is simply wrong” can certainly be confused with antagonism. Just sayin’.
A few friends that are photographers disagree, in a way, that women don’t improve as they age, but it has more to do with self-awareness and confidence.
A woman that takes care of herself and is confident is more attractive at any age.
Not if it’s the truth. Or my opinion, which is the same thing.
There is also something I call “growing into ones face.” Some people peak in their teens while others need time to soften sharp edges and planes. I will try to find examples.
I just saw a rerun of Modern Family with a 40 yr olfd Minnie Driver. She is looking better than ever.
To me anyway. And yes, I am in my late 40’s.
I agree, TriPolar’s wife is definitely the hottest.
I say to check out some other photos of JLD http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&rlz=1T4AURU_enUS498US502&biw=1680&bih=807&tbm=isch&tbnid=7u5uTJEh1n7G_M%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvguide.com%2Fcelebrities%2Fjulia-louis-dreyfus%2F159255&docid=xiaoFKV0pqxs6M&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.tvgcdn.net%2FMediaBin%2FGalleries%2FEditorial%2F120924%2FEmmy_2012_Arrivals%2F10%2Fsmallcrops%2Femmys-julia-louis1sm.jpg&w=424&h=290&ei=L5PbUpLFFKLY2gXKmIDADg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=4578&page=2&start=41&ndsp=42&ved=0CMkCEK0DMEw http://www.google.com/imgres?start=66&sa=X&rlz=1T4AURU_enUS498US502&biw=1680&bih=807&tbm=isch&tbnid=OYXv0tb9R7NGGM%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsplitsider.com%2F2012%2F12%2Fsaturday-nights-children-julia-louis-dreyfus-1982-1985%2F&docid=r3km1NhShFTUqM&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsplitsider.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F12%2Fjulia_louis_dreyfus.jpg&w=375&h=281&ei=4pPbUumtLcaQ2QWJg4HABw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=2406&page=3&ndsp=38&ved=0CA4QrQMwAzhk . I believe that you’ll find some disparity between the supposed look factor. The present day one that you linked to has Photoshop writ all over it, and the Seinfeld one was really a scary one.
Attraction, maybe, but the canard that beauty is entirely subjective, “in the eye of the beholder”, is canting, hypocritical PC nonsense, that is not made any truer by constant repetition. A very large part of personal beauty is simply health and symmetry, and those are the same across all variations of cultures, eras, and personal taste.
Jake is right, 98 out of 100 women will look better in their 20s than they will in their 40s (let alone 50s or beyond), and at least one out of those two exceptions will only look better in her 40s either because she has had plastic surgery, or because, in her 20s, she was completely clueless about how best to present herself (or doing so deliberately, perhaps to fend off unwanted attentions).
This doe snot mean this thread cannot continue. There are some women who look better when they are older, but they are clearly the rare exception rather than the rule. (Indeed, if this were not the case, this would be a pointless thread, amounting to little more than “name a woman”.)
Not as much so as everybody piling on and saying, in effect, your opinion (that beauty is not entirely subjective) is objectively false.
If his opinion is that beauty has objective standards then it is objectively false.
Who’s taller - Kate Upton or Vanessa Hudgens? The answer is Kate Upton - height is an objective standard.
Who’s more beautiful - Kate Upton or Vanessa Hudgens? If you claim this question has an objective answer, you’re wrong. Some people find Upton more beautiful and some people find Hudgens more beautiful. Beauty is subjective.
If “beauty” is subjective, then “hotness” is subjective X 10.
There’s tons of people I personally know that look better in their mid-30s to early 40s than they did in their early to mid-20s. Lot of it has to do with shaping up their diet and exercise. And sometimes it’s styling, and some people just look better more “mature” for some reason. I think Tina Fey would be another good example.
Every example provided so far features a bad picture of the younger woman and a better picture of the older woman. Well, of course the latter will look better. In the case of Julia Louis-Dreyfus you’re comparison an unflattering shot in which she is deliberately made up to look frumpy to the picture where she is deliberately made up to look beautiful. Give me the right photo and Photoshop and I can make anyone look better in their 40s.
What about her has changed, physically, since her 20s to make her more beautiful? Nothing. She was absolutely gorgeous in her 20s. That’s just a photo where she’s trying to not look gorgeous.
It is possible to look better later if in fact there is some substantial life change, like losing a lot of weight. I certainly look much better now at age 42 than I did five years ago, but I’ve lost 75 pounds. Absent that sort of thing, no, you don’t look better in your forties. The thing to take away, I think, is that people CAN look way, way better if they want to expend the effort. A person can dramatically improve their appearance by losing weight or learning to dress properly.
There are are probably millions of women in their 40s and 50s whom I’d find extremely attractive, but whose teenage photos wouldn’t impress me at all. Does that mean these women have gotten much more attractive by aging 30+ years?
PROBABLY not. It’s more that I’ve aged and my standards have changed.
I mean, I remember girls from my school and my neighborhood that I thought were incredibly sexy when I was 14. But if you showed me some 1975 Polaroids of those girls in their bikinis, I’d probably sputter, “What the… she was just a little girl! She was just a KID! How could I have found that attractive?”
At the same, I probably saw those girls’ 40-ish Moms in swimsuits in the Seventies, and never thought twice about them. If I saw old Polaroids of those Moms today, I’d probably think, “Whoa… Mrs. Jones was really hot… how did I not notice at the time?”
Look, it’s undeniable that today, I’m more attracted to women about my own age than I am to 18 year olds (who would scoff “As IF, Grandpa!” if I made any moves on them anyway)… but it doesn’t follow that those women have gotten more attractive with age. It’s my own standards that have changed.