A professional way to solve this is to ask for one of those office screens to be put up. Most offices have those in their furniture storage. http://www.scheidingswandendirect.nl/gestoffeerde-scheidingswand-kem-85-5cm-breed.html?pi=SD11137&gclid=Cj0KEQjw3-W5BRCymr_7r7SFt8cBEiQAsLtM8t3kSKS5qlzjnkmXPjUeM3TmtWepaNvYZykj4HBu0BgaApay8P8HAQ
Or move the training sessions to a more out-of-the-way location. Maybe you just sit near a major coffee- fetching route that attracts people looking out for a chat.
I thought the title was very clear. Many of us had training wheels before graduating to a “grown-up” bike. What I HATED about training wheels is that everyone pointed at me and laughed, and then I’d tip over. Well, that’s “what I HATE about training women”, too.
Can’t wait til I can get a grown-up woman, and stop tipping over and getting laughed at…
Sure, those guys are being jerks. But it’s your responsibility to see that your training is not interrupted; it’s part of what you’re paid to do. You need to be more assertive with them.
Somewhere quiet, relaxing, dimly lit.
Some of the offenders have been warned, some have been suspended, and some have been kicked out. But this means the women still had to deal with the situation as it was happening even if the men were punished after the fact. We thought it was a good idea to offer them an option of avoiding the problem entirely if they wished to do so.
Exactly. You go buy several mason jars and put them on your desk and inform your male colleagues that’s where you’ll keep their balls after you cut them off if they bother the new employee. This is the technique of an effective manager. If anyone doesn’t take the hint right away stick a label on one of the jars and write their name on it.
My gym had to resort to this since women could not go exercise without feeling like they walked onto the set of the dating game. They set up a separate “Women’s only” workout room. The equipment in it was older model stairmasters, treadmills, weights, etc…not the cutting edge stuff in the main gym with personal tv monitors on them & calculators that told you how many calories you burned. But even though it was subpar, I used that room exclusively to escape the never ending “Hey are you new here? You want me to spot you? That’s a nice top you’re wearing…” :rolleyes:
Sure, an effective manager who is on very effective speaking terms with HR. At least briefly. Who then has an even more brief relationship with the security personnel who escort him out.
Why is the onus on the woman(women) to do preventative things? Why can’t these men get it through their fat heads that their behavior is inappropriate?
Poor dudes; the little lady is just putting herself in their way by sitting at a desk being trained. Really, can you blame them? /s
Reminds me an awful lot of slut shaming and telling women they’re just asking for it.
Seriously. WTF?
I guess the male tabletop gamers will have to fall back on their other social outlets to find a mate…
BAHAHAHA!
Sorry couldn’t resist. 
And this drives away lots of us women. I won’t even play in groups that include men because either they are salivating over the young, attractive women in the group, or they are telling me I am wrong and clearly I have no idea what I’m talking about, because I am a woman.
If she’s a new employee, she probably is worried about offending the men by saying something like “Hey, knock it off, you idiot.”
The men in your workplace need to learn one basic rule: If you don’t want another man to do it to you, don’t do it to a woman.
While I agree with your sentiment, the reality is that beautiful women activate a very primitive area of the male brain. It can be very distracting. A similar example might be if you were in a restaurant and saw a very famous and attractive celebrity at another table. You would likely find yourself looking over often and trying to come up with a reason to go over and interact with them. It can often be like that with beautiful women. Men need to make a continual effort to override that urge, and not all men do that all the time.
In addition, many attractive women say how they are dateless because men don’t ask because they think she’ll say no. So some men take that as motivation to flirt just in case she’s interested.
I would guess that all men focus on beautiful women, but some men make more of an effort to manage their primitive feelings. It seems women aren’t quite as looks-driven when interacting with men, so it’s not so much of an issue for them. Although if they saw a celebrity, I think they might have a similar issue trying to prevent themselves from looking and going up to them.
I currently play an online game in a Spanish-language guild. Recently we got a new dude who Jaysus on a wooden horse, the way he talked! It was like being in a male locker room but with less sight of penis and more mention of them :smack:
Some of the people present tried to get him to moderate his speech and remember the manners his momma taught him without actually resorting to “there’s ladies present, genius”. Didn’t work. For several hours he was in a chat where people would use adjectives and pronouns in the female forms and not notice, busy ending every line he typed with “haha”. Dude seems to think he’s funny (haha).
One of the regulars came in, greeted everybody in general, some of us answered, and he said something like “ah, such nice, upstanding gentlemen: GOM! Bubbles! Rick! and the ladies, how are you my beautiful ones, Nava, Ángela? How’s life treating all of you?”
Idjit: “Uh? What ladies?”
GOM: “You HAD to tell him? I was laughing my ass off watching him dig himself deeper :D”
Idjit: “What do you mean ladies???”
Rick: “Oh, only that there’s… aaaaat least ten women in, right now… three of them officers… and one of those officers has suggested moderating your language.”
We don’t kick people out for language, but he’s been very, very polite since, and no more hahas. We did kick another idiot once for refusing to believe Ángela is a woman after hearing her on TS (smoker in her 50s).
Many of my male coworkers would look quite nice naked. So far I’ve been able to refrain from interrupting the training of any of them.
OMG, I love Sharyn McCrumb.
I wouldn’t waste your keyboard breath. Work related Pit threads seem to bring the Dwight Shrute types out of the woodwork, recommending things like awkward signs about mating rituals, and making personal threats to your cow-orkers. Reminds me of the “stolen lunches” thread where one poster recommended putting an elaborate alarm system using light sensors inside of a lunch bag to catch thieves and other posters were like “GENIUS.”
And yet, for the men in the group this is a dating environment. Advice on meeting people is always “Go do stuff you like and find people with similar interests.” It’s just boundaries and appropriateness that is their problem. Let’s face it, if they all looked like Brad Pitt the ladies probably wouldn’t mind as much.
I’ve been trying to figure out a way to delicately ask this very question, without derailing the thread. I certainly don’t want to make any women in such an environment feel uncomfortable, but the directions in this thread about ‘don’t bother women in those venues’ seems to run counter to the advice given in virtually every thread on the Dope, where a guy asks, “How do I meet a woman who’s into X?”
I just wanted to clear up a possible misunderstanding. Are you saying that women are driven away by men hitting on them in mixed groups? Or are you saying women are driven away by women’s only groups?
This has been an issue that we’ve been discussing with both men and women in the group. We certainly don’t want to make it seem like the women are the problem and we’re driving them out into a segregated group. Everyone is invited to be part of the regular meetings. The only meetings that are limited are the women’s only meetings where men are not invited.