World Cup Finals Draw - December 9

(This one is from an English, not USA perspective)

The author fixes England’s “Dream Draw” as: England, Angola, Poland and Saudi Arabia. I might have picked someone besides Poland, since the country borders Germany, but beyond that it’s hard to disagree.

He then says that the “Group of Death” will be: England, Australia, Holland and USA. I’m not quite sure I follow his logic, but he thinks the Socceroos match up well with and are extra motivated against the English. He sees the USA as best of a weak pot. And the final choice was between Netherlands and Czech Republic, either of which will probably make a “Group of Death” by themselves.
For the USA, being the best team in a weak pot is a curse. It means we don’t get to play any of those other teams. Nothing one can do about it now.

The draw is in 6.5 hours from now. You can see it on tv or follow from work on Soccernet. Go to the link and launch the application. I’m sure the UEFA website and maybe even FIFA have a way to follow live as well.

Carlsberg’s take on the draw
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Okay, the fix is in… is there a rule that England and Sweden are always in the same group? Seriously, Germany is being gifted to the second round… Ecuador, Poland and Costa Rica. Gimme a break. Heck, that’s not a bad group for Costa Rica to try and get out of.

Gotta go see how the rest of our pot is shaking out…

Oww.
Oww, oww, oww.

Italy AND the Czech Republic.
Oww.

Here it is. At first sight, good news for Germany, England, Portugal, and France. Bad for Argentina (C looks like the Group of Death), USA (Italy AND Czech Republic? Oy), and Australia.

GROUP A
Germany
Costa Rica
Poland
Ecuador

GROUP B
England
Paraguay
Trinidad & Tobago
Sweden

GROUP C
Argentina
Ivory Coast
Serbia & Montenegro
Holland

GROUP D
Mexico
Iran
Angola
Portugal

GROUP E
Italy
Ghana
USA
Czech Republic

GROUP F
Brazil
Croatia
Australia
Japan

GROUP G
France
Switzerland
South Korea
Togo

GROUP H
Spain
Ukraine
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia

Pretty close on the second one, there Usram. Was the fix in, Sepp?
:smiley:

Gruppe A:
A1. Germany
A2. Costa Rica
A3. Poland
A4. Ecuador

Group B:
B1. England
B2. Paraguay
B3. Trinidad & Tobago
B4. Sweden

Group C:
C1. Argentina
C2. Ivory Coast
C3. Serbia & Montenegro
C4. Netherlands

Group D:
D1. Mexico
D2. Iran
D3. Angola
D4. Portugal

Group E:
E1. Italy
E2. Ghana
E3. USA
E4. Czech Republic

Group F:
F1. Brazil
F2. Croatia
F3. Australia
F4. Japan

Group G:
G1. France
G2. Switzerland
G3. South Korea
G4. Togo

Group H:
H1. Spain
H2. Ukraine
H3. Tunisia
H4. Saudi Arabia

Meh, Italy’s been in decline for some time now and the Czechs will be overconfident. Not an easy group, but definitely doable. Could have been better, could have been worse.

What a tough draw for us. If we get out of this group to the next round I will roundly smack anyone who says the USA is shite.

Match 1, US vs Czech Republic, June 12, Gelsenkirchen
Match 2, US vs Italy, June 17, Kaiserslautern
Match 3, US vs Ghana, June 22, Nuremberg

Maybe the troops in K-town can make that a home game for us? (I’m dreaming, I know)

Do the people of Angola still dislike Portugal? They’re matched up in a group.

Group C is the Group of Death. I prettty much thought whichever group ended up with Holland would get that label. I think that Group E is the second toughest and then Group F. Actually here is how I would rank the groups in terms of overall quality:

C, E, F, H, B, D, G, A

It seems to me that except for Group G and possibly C there are two clear favorites in each group.

Actually move B to last and keep the rest of the order the same.

Group C is definitely the “Group of Death”. Group E might be the “Group of Death-Lite”. I don’t see Italy and Czech Republic as quite as tough as Argentina and Netherlands. Man, I would LOVE to see that match in person.

What gets tougher is that second place in our group is most likely going to face Brazil in the next round. Our group winner will probably see Croatia or Japan, although I wouldn’t be entirely shocked to see Australia go through. Doesn’t really matter, because just about anybody is preferrable to Brazil in the knockout stages.

Sounds like it…

Portugal paid dearly for underestimating the US team in 2002. I don’t think that the Italians and Czechs will make the same mistake this time.

I thought about that while watching the BBC coverage of the draw. The drawn-out pantomime of the World Cup draws was always more the domain of the rather cerebral and world-weary commentator Barry Davies, but he has now retired and the task has fallen to a dullard called John Motson. I don’t expect Motty to be an expert in Portuguese colonial history, but if he had done a quarter of the research that he routinely does on, say, Sheffield United’s left back, he would know that Angola was for a long time a colony of Portugal. But he was too busy feigning confusion at FIFA’s oh-so-complicated rules for World Cup group allocation.

So… Australia drew Brazil, Japan & Croatia with Japan first up. Definitlery a qualifiable-from group! This is going to be the greatest WC ever!

mm

I had the pleasure of seeing the Czech Republic beat Italy 2-1 at Anfield in Group C in Euro '96. (It was the day after the Arndale bomb in Manchester.) Some dozy Eye-tie had a shot at goal right at the death - if he’d scored, a draw would have taken them through. But he ballooned it over the bar. Every single Italian player on the field fell to the ground simultaneously, as if shot. A great game, though.

As duality72 notes, neither side is quite as good as it was then, and I am having grave difficulty myself picking the two to go through from that group. Italy and Ghana?

I just found a site that has a package of 7 nights in a 3 star hotel for the first two matches for team USA (CZE and ITA) for $2060. Unfortunately I don’t know anyone else who wants to go and the difference in price between one person versus three people is $800.

I am going on record right now.
Italy doesn’t make it out of the group. It’s the United States and the Czechs. I want us to be second, because I want a repeat of USA v Brazil in the Round of 16. I was there in 1994; I’d like to be there again in 2006!!

Dortmund, June 27, book it! :smiley:

I admire your optimism there, but if the U.S. comes home with a point from Germany, it will be a moral victory.

C’mon people how many World Cup matches has the U.S. won in its last four trips?

The answer: 3. They’ve beaten Colombia in 1994 and Portugal and Mexico in 2002.

That’s it.