World of Warcraft: Legion general discussion thread 19 July 2016

Unlocking Legion flying for one character unlocks it for all, no matter the level? This is going to make my alt-itis even worse…

Yes. Makes leveling alts a lot easier.

I don’t, but I have a rogue alt that I leveled and pushed through order hall campaign, Broken shore campaign, and get Power Ascended on all three specs… because the “free” class mount plus the three mounts you can buy with order resources (after Power Ascended) take me up to 295/300 on the Lord of the Reins achievement. It’s not like I’m committed to the [del]thug[/del] rogue life, like I’ve noticed some players are. I’m barely technically competent at PvE play. And also temperamentally disinclined to PvP.

So the quest you need to get the class mount was kind of disturbing. Kill a specific quest NPC in each of the opposite faction’s major cities (original 3 plus BC capital).

Well, I did it, because mounts. And it turns out it was scarier in my head than in practice. The scariest one was killing one of the auctioneers in the Stormwind auction house. I literally hovered on my flying mount waaay above the Stormwind Trade District for 10 minutes, counting all the Alliance player characters hanging around in the square and going into the very auction house I’d have to try to sneak into and assassinate an NPC right before their eyes.

I’m not a YOLO guy. I really prefer better odds than 40-to-1, and I don’t really trust stealth. Especially playing Outlaw; if I really wanted to be a super sneaky back stabby kind of guy, I would have rolled (and learned to play) Subtlety. :dubious:

But it worked. I landed myself well away from the AH, stealthed over (avoiding the few detector patrols), snuck into the AH door by hopping up on the side of the stoop rather than weaving my way past the PCs hanging out on the steps, weaved my way over to where the target was standing, gathered my wits, planned my attack, and struck.

The guards and one or two PCs gave me some autoattacks, but Vanish worked and I got out alive.

I’m amazed. I’ve never had “Rogue stuff” work for me before. I guess I need to learn to have a bit more faith in the class.

It really adds an element of fun when things are scary, doesn’t it?

A few months ago my guild transferred from a horde dominated group to one much more dominated by alliance (we are alliance). While I certainly enjoy not getting insta-killed by 20 horde at every single flight path, it kinda takes some of the fun out of daily/world quests when I’m no longer on the look out for opposing faction players. But it definitely was not fun trying to spawn at my corpse and popping all defensives just to live long enough to turn in the emissary quest before getting killed again. Or never being able to use a summoning stone.

For the record, we were on Aegwynn-US, and are now on Kel’Thuzad-US. They are polar opposites in terms of alliance/horde population.

YMMV. But to me, PvP is shit that happens to me while I’m trying to do what I actually want to do. Right up there with getting rear-ended on the freeway on the way to work or dropping a drink and having to clean up my mess before I can enjoy my drink.

But temperamentally, I’m both kinda pacifist (don’t start stuff) and goal-oriented. The “scary” part of that quest was nothing more than an obstacle between where I was and what I wanted, and there is absolutely no joy in being impeded. If I were a trouble-starter (i.e. fan of PvP), then the PvP would be a valid goal, but since I’m not, it fails to register as a desirable thing.

Again, YMMV. Rolling on a PvP server (Azgalor US, aka “Azzholesgalore”) and in a mostly PvP battlegroup (Ruin US) was exceptionally dumb, but that’s where I’ve been since early Vanilla and I’m way too cheap to move a main and 10 alts to another server.

Too late to ETA: All of that said, the saving grace of this quest chain is that if you play well, PvP is actually avoidable. It’s just part of the costs of failure, albeit a higher cost than other quests. It’s rare that a PvE boss corpse camps you, for instance. Not unheard-of, but not common.

Weirdo! :smiley:

I’m with gnoitall. I hate PvP. I suck at PvP. I’m a freaking carebear who will actually stop to help an opposite-faction player kill stuff and would heal if I could. Can’t we all just get along (shut up, Genn!)?

Wow, small world. My horde guild made the opposite switch back in MoP, switching from a PVE server to Kel’thu’zad. At the time, I think it was 97% alliance. ** I was not prepared. ** I only made it about six months before I left the guild and found a new one on a PVE server. PVP as a healer … shudder … let’s just say I’m not a fan.

It wasn’t all bad though. Back then, the alliance and horde AH were not linked, and anyone could use the booty bay AH. I funneled huge amounts of crafting materials from the alliance side through BB using a second account, marked them up about 1000%, and then sold them horde side. I gold capped my main toon (1 million back then) before I left.

LOL, yeah there isn’t really any world PVP on Kel’Thuzad because you hardly ever even see a horde player. Sometimes I see one and I think “poor lonely guy, maybe i’ll just let him finish his quest”. Then my eye twitches and a flashback sequence to my years on Aegwynn plays…

I mained a rogue through BC and LK, and took a long break during Cata and MoP. I loved it, and still like to bust out my assassination buddy from time to time, though he’s fallen behind with Legion. I could never feel right with subtlety, bouncing between Combat(Outlaw) and Assassination for most of my raiding career. Stabby stabby POOF! is really rewarding when it works right. For a run ROGUESTUFF experience, do the Fangs of the Father questline. It’s almost ridiculously easy to solo now, but you get to sneak all around places, pickpocket, and STABBY STABBY POOF! Plus, the daggers look awesome, and gave you wings before demon hunters were a thing.
I decided to play around with my affliction warlock…MOAR DOTS! It’s quite a difference in gameplay from my demon hunter “run in and hit things” style, so it’s going nicely…Val’Sharah took me about 2 hours to finish, aside from the finishing dungeon.

Yes, I remember that one. I did it on another rogue alt (one I inherited from a son who used to play on that account). Being overlevel, nothing was challenging, and I don’t think there was any potential of PvP in any of the steps. I think everything was instanced.

That’s where this quest chain was different. Every target was an NPC in the heart of a capitol city. The real capitol, not instanced. Exodar and Darnassas were no real threat, because who the Hell goes there? (Ironically, Exodar is the only place I died, but only because of inept execution of a completely necessary mechanic – you have to disable or distract a bodyguard (mechanical construct, detector, and can one-shot you if he isn’t disabled) before you can go to town on the target, and I failed to get off Blind before he smooshed me. Next time around, I went conservative and just distracted him to let the target path away from the bodyguard far enough and long enough for me to dispatch him before Distract was up.)

Ironforge and Stormwind were both lousy with PCs, but none mounted any effective response before Vanish worked (both places). I guess complete surprise meant that no player could get past surprise paralysis before I could escape. (That appears to be the secret to rogue PvP, as well: do a bunch of damage before the target gathers their wits for a response. Well, that and stun-locking.)

Both Fangs of the Father and this quest chain seem to be nice Rogue exercises, but the mount quest has higher potential stakes (PvP).

Well, my paladin finally got her first Legendary, the ring “Soul of the Highlord”, from a Court of Farondis emissary chest. w00t.

I’ve come to the conclusion that I am never going to complete any of my Order Hall Campaigns, and thus never unlock Legion flying, and no class mounts. Aside from the dungeon requirements—the antiquity of my iMac makes running them next to impossible—there’s that stupid Xe’ra/Illidan questline. I got about two steps into that before I quit, because if there’s one PvE activity I utterly despise it’s being made to basically play another character. I’ve hated it since I first encountered it in WotLK (that storm giant you have to ride on and control in Zul’drak). But, honestly, I don’t mind not having flying. I got ten characters to 100 in WoD before I eventually unlocked flying by default, and found it wasn’t that big of a deal doing all my travel on the ground.

I’m getting a little confused about Order Hall progression as I bring up new alts into Legion content. My first two toons to 110 were my paladin and mage, and both of them still have only four Champions. The paladin’s next campaign step is apparently a dungeon, while the mage’s next step requires meeting Kalec in an apparently inaccessible (at this point) location in Suramar. Meanwhile, my rogue did the steps that led to recruiting her first four Champions just like the paladin and mage, and then her fifth, Marin Noggenfogger, to all appearances just basically showed up with no effort on my part. My fourth 110, my shaman, again has the first four Champions and no indication of a fifth.

For my sub-110s, my warrior (106) and warlock (104) still have only two Champions, with no hint of a quest to recruit more, while my druid (103) has four. My hunter (102) is the latest to start Legion content. He has two champions, and he hasn’t even been offered the quest to recruit the first minion recruiter (unless I did it and completely forgot almost immediately) so he can’t send his champions on missions without something to fill that third slot. I’ll hunt around the Lodge some more to see if he does, in fact, have the recruiter.

Anyway, a while back I dusted off the Death Knight I rolled back in 2009 and then abandoned at level 62, and I’ve been leveling him. I was amused when, while questing in the first part of the Valley of Four Winds, I got a whisper from another player who had apparently inspected me and was astonished to find that I wasn’t wearing heirlooms. He suggested getting some, because “it will speed things up”. I told him that I do actually have all of the heirloom gear (all upgraded to 90, with a couple pieces upgraded to 100), but that I ditched it all on the DK when I got to Pandaria because I wanted to slow it down a bit … and still hit 89-1/2 before finishing Jade Forest.

I’m also going to start leveling my monk again. I’ve set a goal of getting every class to 110 before Legion ends, just so I can get that guild achievement for one of every class at max level.

Got my Lightforged Warfare today. Still gonna be a couple/few weeks before I get the Ruinstriders tho.

How y’all doin’? :smiley:

I’m not playing consistently. My late husband is the one who got me into Warcraft, way back with Orcs vs. Humans, and sometimes when I’m playing I get… sad. Which is like saying a hurricane is a bit of rain and wind.

Other times I still enjoy it immensely and don’t feel sad.

Not entirely sure I’m going to purchase the next expansion or not. Although the thought of giving up Warcraft entirely also makes me sad.

Gotta love autocorrect. :smiley:

I can’t imagine having half a million gold, so that’s out of my reach, and I’m not driving very hard for Army of the Light reputation anyway. I am somewhat pushing on Argussian Reach rep, but you can only push so hard when there are literally less than a dozen quests per day (and less than half that many up at any particular time), one emissary quest appearance per week at best, and order hall mission board RNG hates me and doesn’t give me any reputation token missions. :mad:

I kind of eased into the 7.3 rep grind so I’m behind. Looking forward to getting exalted with Army of the Light for the permanent augment rune but I’m only at like 3,000/21,000 so its gonna be a while. Also anxious to get to revered with Argussian so I can get that upgraded flightmaster’s whistle, I think once I have that, grinding out the Army world quests will be much more palatable.

Aye, the whistle, like in all the regular Broken Shore zones, makes questing much easier.

And the augment rune is nice but I rarely used the regular ones; I don’t need them and they sell for a shitload of cash on my server.

I guess raiders like 'em, eh?

But that market’s gonna soften now that the customers can buy the permanent one (since AoL exalted is becoming reachable now).

Demon Hunter is ready for the new raid. Warlock probably needs another week or two. Started playing the mage again, realized I HATE frost, and switched to fire. There’s no going back at this point, holy shit.
But I got bored and dusted off my level 9 goblin warrior. He’s not even full of heirlooms (yet) and just demolishes everything. This might be TOO fun.

Came back and started farming old content for transmogs. Because, well…
First of all, my graphics card makes loading content take forever, and sometimes just crash. So there’s frustration there.
But what it boils down to is the reveals of plot-stuff. I’m kinda tired of the fanfic-level of Illidan retcons and assurances that he’s the best. Thing. Evar. Even to the point of ‘The Light is bad, m’kay?’ I’ve played a priest since day two of Burning Crusade, and … It just feels real slap-in-the-face-y. It bugs me, and it makes me not really want to delve my characters into that particular story.

So, for now, I’m running around picking up mog sets, making clothes and selling 'em on the AH. Cos that’s fun for me. Also, one day, I’ll get some of the class mounts. Cos those seem neat.