You still don’t get it, moron. You made the claim that one hit of acid could cause a permanent trip. Now it’s up to you to provide a cite for that claim.
While I am not going to do some acid researching so that I can provide a cite for you here at work, I looked on snopes.com and it had only a couple references to specific legends. It didn’t have any reference to permanent trips in general.
My wife’s mother is a psychologist who works in a sanitarium, and she works with people who have had the permanent vacation thing happen to them. I don’t have a cite for you. And just for milroyj, I did get it moron, I was being sarcastic about the cite. Permanent Trips do happen. But like I said, I’m at work and have no cite for you. I mean, I guess you could go do some searching for mkultra and a lot of the stuff that was associated with that and you’ll find all kinds of stuff about brainwashing using acid as a catalyst. All I said was that a small dosage can possibly harm someone permanently, that people don’t really “overdose” on acid. If you want to nitpick that I said one hit and therefore my whole statement is false as I will never be able to prove that, or prove how many micrograms was on that particular hit, then that’s your prerogative.
As for cites regarding permatrips, just do some researching on mkultra, I’m sure you’ll find a whole lot of info. It depends on the person, their mood, their environment, their personality, their skeletons in their closet, all kinds of things that factor into them having a permanent trip. However there is lot’s of information regarding permanent trips that I am sure if you go into google you can find some.
Keywords to put into google.
Acid
Permatrip
Permanent vacation
Permanent Trip
mkultra
timothy leary
And the opposite is also true that you can do huge amounts of acid and not get permanently fucked. Look at Dr Hoffman who discovered acid when he got a huge fucking amount on himself and was not permanently fucked over afterward. So my point was about the amount having little to do with it. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe it takes at least two hits to get permanently fried or that’s the lowest dosage documented in any permanent trip and you can nitpick over my saying it can be one trip and ignore the ENTIRE point that you don’t really overdose on acid the same way you can on other drugs such as cocaine and heroin. The same person can do a sheet of acid one day not do acid for five years and do a few hits then and become permanently fried. THAT was my point.
Erek
That, my friend, should be Wildest Bill’s sig.
Not that I’m looking for one, mind you-one glass of champagne and I’m snoring over plate-but where did you manage to get a home brewing kit?
Over MY plate. Jesus Christ on wheels, it’s catching!
In States where they are legal (which is most all of them) you can normally look in the yellow pages for “beer and winemaking supplies”. It’s great fun, and you learn an awful lot about what you do. I did it myself for a few years, and may take it up again yet.
It’s distilling kits that are hard to find… 
I can’t help it - that word keeps making me think of a cross between andros and Alphagene. 
I’ve had homemade wine before.
My dad did a funeral for a man, and his widow, to show her thanks, sent my dad a bottle of homemade wine that her husband had made-it was his hobby. Good stuff-I think we had it at Easter.
No urban legend. I have a close relative who is still suffering 32 years later.
Would you happen to know how much acid he did that put him in this state? (assuming it’s a him)
Erek
Yep, I sure do. If you actually read the words carefully in that posting, I never said I would wish such a thing, on your family or anyone else’s. You’ve put that self-serving spin on it. All I did was -very sarcastically, I will freely admit- pose a scenario where your innocent 14-year-old “victim” of the SDMB members who are outraged gets to confront you and use the same pretzel logic to explain an indecent and sickening act to YOU.
Not once did I wish such a thing upon you, your family or friends. So, don’t take a threat that isn’t there. But then, from what we’ve read of your early posts in this thread, distortion is your specialty.
I know, I know, it’s just pot, duuuuude. Sorry, but the law is the law.
I’ve no clue what you do for a living, but how well would you execute the responsibilities of your career if someone drugged YOU during lunch, and you had to complete your day under the influence of something you didnt’ expect to feel?
You want this kid to be cut a lot of slack because of his age. In terms of serious crimes committed by kids his age, he’s hardly a baby. Murder, rape, arson, robbery are all performed very ably by 14 year old men and women.
You’ll get no apology from me, because I meant zero and I do mean ZERO attack upon yourself or your family. I posed a hypothetical scenario. Unfortunately for the kids who were drugged without consent, their day wasn’t hypothetical.
Deal with it.
Cartooniverse
OT: Curious to know how many 16 year old kids were involved in (fatal) accidents, stoned/drunk or not…
Beagle - I’m not going to get into a debate or argument on the permanent damage LSD may or may not have on a body. I just simply offered a story of something that happened to the brother of a friend over 20 years ago (Gawd, I feel old).
I do know that he had had a serious reaction to a large amount of acid that was dropped into a batch of jungle juice at a party I attended. So serious that he was taken away by ambulance and has never been the same since.
I do know that he received permanent damage because of the punch, whether or not it was the booze or the acid or a combination of the two.
I do know that he is still disabled all these years later.
I do know that his family, Social Security, the hospital, his doctors, and the local paper who reported the details, all claim that his condition was the result of the acid. (I will look in my junk/crap I have saved drawer to see if I still have the article, if not I will ask his sister for it or at least more details.) I won’t argue with you if you can show me evidence that makes their story impossible.
What I don’t know is whether or not the acid was truly a direct cause of his condition. I am only going on what has been told to me.
I do not know the permanent effects acid may have or whether or not a person can OD or not come out of a psychotic episode. Again, I am only going by what I witnessed that night, what I was told by the family, and what I know of him now.
If someone else wants to debate the point, go for it, but it would be rather pointless of me to participate in a debate with only anecdotal evidence, now wouldn’t it?
I missed this earlier, but I think it would have sucked.
Erek
Ah, but mswas, the point I was making was that in the situation of the 16 year old having the accident after having been poisoned…er, “tricked into taking the drugs” without his knowledge, and then having an accident, there is now two tragedies–both at the hands of a minor. I think it’s obvious that I assign blame to the 2nd tragedy (the wreck) to the perpetrator of the 1st (the cretin referred to in the OP).
& Cartooniverse: Thanks.
Monty, Well you may or may not understand our legal system, but in MOST, not all situations, you are only charged with the crime that you ACTUALLY committed not the results that COULD have happened. For instance if you drink and drive and you get pulled over for swerving by a cop, you get a DWI and not a vehicular homicide, because while you COULD have killed another driver, you didn’t so it doesn’t matter what you COULD have done. So thankfully the Puritans (read: you) are not in power right now and this kid doesn’t have any rocks piled on him.
Erek
No kidding. In the hypothetical I posited, the 16-year old who was stoned against his will was in a wreck.
Right again. But ain’t it grand that you gloss over the fact that the 16-year old in the hypothetical I posited gets, according to you, a DWI thanks to the 14-year old you wish to protect?
Now that’s one heck of a strawman!
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You may or may not remember but you were the one saying that we should try the kid as an adult in the first place. When someone says OP they are referring to you, and the OP said that the kid should be tried as an adult.
I hope that helps. If you need a cite, check the OP.
Erek
Last I checked Marijuana is an illegal drug and injecting drugs into someone’s system without their knowledge is a crime.
Get back to me when you decide that your vacation from Reality has been too long, okay.
Yes Marijuana is an illegal drug, and the person who did this was a juvenile, and we have seperate laws for juveniles, he is being tried as a juvenile. Now that is the reality I am in. Please provide a cite to prove that my view of reality is incorrect.
Erek
The people of the State of California voting to try certain juveniles as adults in certain cases.
That work for you?