I don’t see how this thread is connecting to the one you referenced. I don’t want a massive economic collapse, but that might be what’s required to wake some people up to the fact that our country votes against its own collective interests every time it votes for a republican. And if that’s what it takes, then that’s what it takes and I guess I’d rather we get to that point late than never. But obviously I just wish we were better educated and had a better value system to begin with.
It’s now 4 out of 61. Wow. How very cult-like of us.
That’s way below the Crazification Factor, dude. More Trump supporters than that have literally committed mass murder in support of their shared ideologies.
And it’s a No from me, both because this too shall pass, and anyway Trump isn’t the problem, he’s the symptom. If anything, keeping him in place for another term will likely destroy the Republicans if it doesn’t destroy the country first.
I’d think I’d tell the wizard to find someone a little older than me who detests Donald just as much. Find someone who’d be dead in a few years anyway and offer the same bargain.
I think there’s an interesting question in here but it’s muddied by too many unknowns.
Let’s say the wizard comes to you and says, “Hey, I’ve run a simulation where John Kerry won the 2004 election. The results are undeniably good – 15 years after the election the world population is 257,392 people higher than in the reality where Bush won – those are lives saved for whatever reason. World poverty has gone down, carbon emissions are down. I can snap my fingers and make that reality the current reality. Unfortunately, in that reality, you die in a car wreck in 2005. Shall I do it?”
Assuming (as per the OP) that you trust the wizard fully and he really does have the power to do what he says, what kind of monster wouldn’t tell him to go ahead? And yet, it’s too abstract for me to agree to. I don’t know why.
First of all, of course, I was responding to your “unsatisfied individuals/revenge fantasies/savior complexes” bushwa.
Second, yes, the stakes ARE that high. If we are talking about marginal changes in policy, that’s saying we’ve thrown in the towel, and will settle for rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
IF you had actually read my post, you would have noticed that I didn’t stipulate that I’d be willing to give my life for a particular outcome of this election.
You mean, like how Western civilization will come to an end if we continue to give asylum to some thousands of would-be immigrants escaping violence in Central America? :rolleyes:
Die? People won’t even take a day off work for chrissakes. They’re perfectly happy bleating on the internet.
I’m not willing to die, but if he handed me a resignation letter first, I’d blow him.
Doing so would deny me the anticipated pleasure of reading his obituary, so no.
Have you learned nothing from Trump? Take the letter and then back out of the promise to blow him.
Yes – as long as I live to see him lose, and the aftermath of GOP grief vomiting.
A more complete answer now that I’ve had a chance to read the thread:
Look, it’s a silly what-if game anyway, but between the two polls, better the death of a relatively unimportant individual than the widespread suffering of a major recession. Bummer it happens to be me.
But here’s the thing: The tide of idiocy, bigotry and utter disregard for truth unleashed by Trump’s candidacy and presidency is by far the most sickening thing I’ve seen in the U.S. in my lifetime. All policy matters aside, I never imagined I’d see my country so befouled. So, while I know it’s borderline psychotic of me, my fondest dream is to see the day when Trump and all the scum who made him possible are left sputtering in their drool by an electoral repudiation of seismic proportions.
I would happily die Wednesday, November 4, 2020 to see that happen.
Lotsa good eatin,’ there.
Think of it as a variation on the old trolley problem. If you’re tied to one track with the switch in your hand, and on the other track is a vial of poison gas that, if released, will drift into a nearby city and kill thousands, do you toggle the switch so the trolley kills you, or do you save yourself and let it release the poison gas?
People have died (for instance, thousands in Puerto Rico, many of whom could have been saved by prompt action), and more will die, due to the consequences of Trump’s Presidency, even if we take global warming out of the picture. And of course if we include it, the odds approach certainty that we as a species will be too late to slow down global warming. In which case, billions will likely die.
There was a teacher a couple years ago who literally threw herself in front of a bus to push several of her students out of the way. Man, talk about a cult-type level of insanity! She was willing to die to save others, rather than just watch and let them get crushed by the bus! Man, that was some hard core left wing shit there, sacrificing her life to save others. We should all go piss on her grave or something. :rolleyes:
If I was an old, frail man with kids and grandkids to worry about, yeah I’d take the deal. You’ve still got about a year and a half to enjoy your time left on Earth, and you can die knowing the world is just a slightly better place for your loved ones. And what a hero’s death that would be! Your family would build statues in your honor.
But as it stands now, I’m hopefully looking at another 2/3 of my life left to live, so fuck no I am not sacrificing myself to remove a president from office who ultimately isn’t that much worse than the presidents who came before him. The US needs to learn from this mistake anyway, like a dumb, untrained dog who keeps shitting on the carpet.
The America-hating fuckstick can’t be counted on to live up to his end of the deal. How 'bout if I agree to sacrifice my life AFTER he loses the general election?
I’d tell him to run the simulation again, this time for Gore winning in 2000, see what he comes up with.
You’ve got a stronger stomach than I have, my friend.
Well, we’ve had a sudden jump in the self-sacrifice option. 5 out of the most recent 24 votes have been for “I’d die to keep Trump out.”
My instinct is to say yes, my life is worth less than what’s best for my family and country. Then my only quibble is whether “Trump loses the election” is potentially a monkey’s paw that doesn’t achieve that much.
Like maybe he loses the election, and imposes martial law instead of yielding office. Or he loses the election but Republicans win the house and there’s a terrorist attack that makes Devin Nunes president. Not giving up my life for either of those outcomes.
I understand that (although we are up to 7 yes votes now) but just the posing of the question indicates an unhealthy level of hatred for the current occupant of the White House. I didn’t like Obama (at least politically, he always seemed like a decent person) and I didn’t like Bill Clinton at all, either politically or personally.
In my opinion, their policies were dangerous, and like anyone with as much power as a president, their actions can lead to the deaths of others.
But to hate/dislike a president soooo much that you would personally die to keep him out of office, or to even raise it as a serious question is so far removed from reasoned political discourse as to absolutely stun me (and that takes a lot of doing).
Respectfully, I think some people need to take a step back and realize that Trump is not really turning the United States into a fascist dictatorship. Sure, dislike him. That’s fine and that is your freedom as an American. Disagree with his policies. Debate on the board and elsewhere. But when the hatred goes so far that it is a serious question if you would die to keep him out of office, then, IMHO you have seriously misjudged the severity of what he has done and is doing.
Guys, I’m not trying to be an jackass genie here that screws you over. Not going to give you a mansion, but it’s in North Korea.
Trump loses and is gone, some democrat wins, the end. Whatever happens after that, happens, but it won’t be influenced by magic.
But no, you don’t get to wait til after the election to die. Your death is a precondition. You’ll be Moses dying in the desert before your people reach the promised land.