The posing of the question was done specifically to bait people. It’s existence indicates nothing.
For what - to help another neo-con who’d do the same stuff, but nicer? No thanks - I’ll take the laughs at the expense of a smaller safety net which is barely there anyway, but has not changed anyway… Donald Trump has such little affect on my life, I wouldn’t sacrifice a thing… I wouldn’t even sacrifice myself for Bernie Sanders. I have my own problems, and they are all doing well.
I do wish the US had some left-wingers or liberals. I also wish people would learn basic political definitions, and focus on the important stuff. I don’t think I’ve ever read the word “labor” in the political forums I visit.
If you aren’t going to magically give me the outcome I want, then I’m not going to die for it. I want Trump to lose the election - ideally, never even get to the election - but it might not be enough.
No, it wasn’t.
It was a response to the other poll, where a significant amount of people seemed to be willing to allow millions of people to be out of work if it meant Trump loses.
It’s not insane to allow other people to suffer to get what you want. It might not be good, but it’s not insane. At the same time, being willing to die for something is considered the ultimate sacrifice.
You made this poll to make some point/observation you feel is indicative of the side you politically disagree with. UltraVires is then glomming onto this as if you are indicative of some sort of fanatic liberal willing to kill themselves (which I suspect was part of your goal in the first place). It’s existence doesn’t indicate anything beyond your and his imagination.
My life for a guaranteed Trump loss? No.
My life for a Trump public flogging/tarring and feathering/witch dunking/strung up from a street lamp by his heels while water balloons full of rank piss get tossed at him (although he might actually like that)/dragged behind a horse through a cactus patch/rolled down a hill in a barrel of nails/toss the remains in prison for all eternity/remove his name from history by chiseling and destroying all references to him like the ancient Egyptians used to do…ummm, maybe.
Will my cat Tippy be taken care of after my death?
Nope, and I’d appreciate it if you stopped questioning my motives and playing mind reader. I’m genuinely curious how many people would do this. For the record, I am a registered independent atheist who leans libertarian on social issues. I also think Trump is a garbage human being and bad president (though, personally, not bad enough to die for).
I have nothing to do whatsoever with Ultravires, or the responses to the poll. You’re welcome to think their votes are irrelevant and don’t amount to anything though.
No, hell no.
Sixty-some odd million people conspired to put that asshole in office. Let some of them make the sacrifice.
Some years back, I got called all sorts of names in this thread for placing the life of my child above the lives of others. Now, here in the present thread there are no great numbers of Dopers willing to sacrifice their own lives (let alone take the throat slicing option I offered upthread) to save all the thousands of people whose lives will be snuffed out by Trump. This is a place of great anger but not of great courage, it would seem.
There was a scene in Key Largo where Bogart says that one less Johnny Rocco in the world isn’t worth dying for. That’s how I feel about trump. A world where there’s no place for trumps might be another story.
Unless you’re brown, especially a brown child. Or a woman. Or someone who actually needs health care. Or poor. Or a legal immigrant afraid to return to your own country for a visit because you might not be let back in. Or someone who wants your vote to actually count as much as other people’s. Or trans, and don’t want to be murdered. Or someone who wants your news to tell the truth. Or one of the hundreds of now-deceased Syrians who should have been safely here under the refugee program. Or one of the roughtly 50 Palestinians and Jews who have been killed so far because the Orange Asshole decided he HAD to move an embassy. Or any of Trump’s myriad other victims, for which the stakes may literally be life and death.
For an awful lot of people – and more all the time – the stakes are really very, very high.
A strong magical thinking I detect in you.
But assuming magic works: could I restate the question and ask not only for Trump to lose the election, but also that he and his whole entourage (Ivanka, Miller, Jared, Bannon, Jr., Eric, DeVos, etc. etc. etc…) end up in ignominy and get non pardonable life sentences? I would sacrifice my cat for that.
But if a genie came and offered me a wish, only one, no cheating, my wish would be a different one.
Or Ted Cruz?
I can’t believe 8 people voted “Yes” If the people who voted yes actually thought that, there’s an easy way to accomplish it.
It’s right there in the title of the thread we’re talking about a “Trump loss”, so I have no clue what you’re on about.
I read this as, “there was a scene in Mar-a-Lago where Bogart says…”
I don’t want to run afoul of the board rules. But if someone is willing to give their life to ensure a candidate doesn’t get elected, there’s an easy way to do it.
I expressed that I’d sacrifice myself (via magical wizard) to guarantee Trump losing an election. You are wording it differently, in terms of a guarantee of not being elected.
I feel you are not characterizing my position properly. The question strongly implies the assumption Trump will head the 2020 GOP ticket into November of that year. There is a possibility Trump may not get elected and also not lose the election. I did not account for that in the interpretation I’ve explained and would not sacrifice myself in order for someone like Pence to be the next president.
Right. I think what the OP means is, “Would you be willing to die if it meant a guaranteed Democratic victory in 2020?”
By framing it as a Trump loss, the OP opened the loopholes - but then again, Dopers always look for loopholes…
You’re not going to last long in this message board…