I think the only way Trump gets impeached is if 2018 is a Democratic wave election. Under that scenario giving Pence a chance would mean impeaching Trump but not Pence. Not giving him a chance would mean a double impeachment of Trump and Pence with the Democratic speaker becoming the new POTUS. Under this scenario I would support removing both of them from office and not giving Pence a chance.
The idea that I wouldn’t give anyone a chance implies that I will oppose them on an ad hominem basis regardless of policy. That’s not how I operate. So whether it’s Trump, Pence, Hitler, or the devil himself, I will give them a chance at whatever they’ve been chosen by my fellow countrymen to do. Then when they do good things, I will rejoice, and when they do stupid and evil things, I will oppose them.
“Give him a chance” seems to mean “Sit around idly while he does whatever because he has some grace period”. So, no. I would be immediately interested in what he’s doing and vocal if I think it’s bad. And Pence is blended into this whole Russia thing so, if that’s what took Trump down, there’s zero reason to give Pence a pass on it.
But he’d get to be president no matter what I say so the concept of me “giving him a chance” seems sort of silly.
I voted ‘yes’ in the sense that I would not support blind partisan obstruction and stonewalling of any policy, regardless of merit, such as how Republicans behaved under Obama. This would be equally unethical if Democrats responded in kind.
I would, however, look on everything from him with a skeptical merit-based viewpoint.
Based on his past actions and support I already know that there is next to nothing he can do that I would support him on, unless he made an about-face on his political stance. I see no reason to give someone who wants to oppress me a “chance”. He’s already formed political opinions and I have already judged him to be a scumbag on them. He lost his chance already. He doesn’t start getting judged the moment he gets in office, he gets judged on his whole political history and he’s already down the drain.
I mean, if he suddenly started enacting policies that I agree with, that’s one thing and I would support policies I agree on. But there is no indication whatsoever that would be the case.
I’ve already given him a chance, and have rejected him as a meaningfully competent politician. He has been my governor and congressman - and he’s been useless every step of the way. The fact that he’ll be marginally better than Trump is not an endorsement - that’s too small of a hurdle to step over to be considered meritorious.
I would give him the same chance I gave Obama and Trump. The Democrats in Congress, if they succeed in removing Trump from office (they won’t) may take the attitude of “finally, somebody we can work with”. Or possibly “one down, one to go” and continue scandal-mongering until they can get a Democratic Speaker of the House into the White House.
There is not a single republican in the goddamn country who deserves to be “given a chance”. Maybe Susan Collins, but even that’s a stretch. This part has made it clear that they are perfectly okay with Donald Trump, Betsy DeVos, and Steve Bannon being in positions of real power. They cannot be trusted with any kind of power. Pence willingly signed up to be vice president to Donald Trump. If we’re impeaching people, he should damn well be on the chopping block.
I don’t get what people don’t get. Will I give him a chance: will I immediately assume he is as horrible as Trump and fight him, or will I wait and hope he might be good?
The latter. Unlike Trump, he never really revealed himself to be so completely awful that I can predict how bad things will be. It’s possible he would stay rather moderate for a Republican, which would be fine–not ideal, but no reason to act like I am with Trump: hoping he will be removed from office, ideally in a very humiliating or painful way, and actively participating in what I can to try and facilitate that.