X2- the uncanny SPOILER thread!

In the comics Wolverine’s immortality is a definite possibility. The recent Origin miniseries has Logan born James Howlett, in the 1800s, son of a wealthy Canadian landowner.
They hinted to the possibility in the first movie, when Jean claims (roughly paraphrased) that Wolverine “could be as old as you, Professor X.”

speaking of nazis…well, actually not nazis, cold-war russians…

i wonder if Omega Red will be making an appearance in the near future.

now THAT was a badass.

Can someone explain to me the scene near the end where they are all in the President’s office? I don’t understand how they could have all gotten in there…

a) They walked in the front door. They magically got around security doors and cameras without being noticed, while having to freeze all the guards along the way. They went so fast noone noticed they were all frozen for that long afterwards.

b) Nightcrawler drank a lot of espresso that day and decided to teleport them all in one by one, including a wheelchair, which he previously ignored when saving Professor X from the collapsing cerebro. (P.S. If stryker stole cerebro… doesn’t that mean the mansion has a non-functioning version now?)

c) Professor X was projecting himself into the mind of the President from outside (where do you park a jet that size in Washington btw?) and also projected all of the other X-men in real-time, so that we can see Cyclops looking weepy and Nightcrawler giggling. That seems like a lot of effort. However, Nightcrawler had to be in there himself at some stage, since the President had the blue report at the end of it all.

If Professor X really did freeze the whole room, and Storm blocked out the broadcast with bad weather, how did noone notice the time jump afterwards? Surely people on TV have to watch the clock closely. If the signal had been lost wouldn’t the TV station have cancelled the speech due to technical difficulties? It was a good scene but I find it confusing now afterwards… How did they manage it!

How do you know noone didn’t? There was what, 10 seconds of film after that point?

They were still on air though, and coaxing the president to speak. It just seems to me like they didn’t explain how they managed it. The fact that they were all staring at the president made it seem like he had been quiet for a while, not just the length of time since the X-men disappeared and everything returned to normal. If I had all the answers I wouldn’t be asking :stuck_out_tongue:

Three seconds of silence while on air is an infinite amount of time, so he had been quiet for a while. Additionally, to the TV crew, the president would have looked like he was about to speak, and then was completely dumbfounded and speechless. He also wasn’t looking at his notes, and was stammering. I think the TV crew’s reaction was incredibly plausible.

You may be looking for faults where there are none.

But, Munch*, what if it wasn’t just that room, but all humans that Picard froze, then had ShadowCat go and get the master tape so no one would find the looong pause?

Anyways, it was a good wrap up /set up. The nit didn’t bother me.

*I’ve been wanting to say that pun… no offense meant. :smiley:

What if he didn’t freeze anyone at all, just projected the images into the President’s mind.

I’m not trying to nitpick, I just want to understand what way they meant the scene to be interpreted. They seem to have been very careful putting in little details throughout the rest of the film, so I presume they have an explanation for that scene, since they must have deliberately set it up that all the X-men were in the room. I guess it’ll be on the DVD commentary or something.

Okay, how about how Magneto tried to use the machine to kill all the humans?

He opens the door and walks in (Mystique is on the floor having lost control of her powers), then looks at Jason and taps his helmet with a smug look on his face.

Then he moves the walls around a bit, and Mystique is fine, and able to morph into Stryker and give the order.

Did I miss something there?

Doesn’t explain the documents.
Sigh- why are the people making the movies we watch always so much less intellectually gifted than ourselves? :wink: :wink: :wink:

Magneto’s helmet blocks psionics (he made it that way because he knew Xavier could turn him off like a switch at any time without that protection, even though Mags is naturally resistant to mind control without the helmet), so he wasn’t affected by what Jason was making the Prof do. He rearranged Cerebro, so it stopped affecting Mystique (and all other mutants). Is that what you were asking about?

On the subject of the X-men’s appearance in the Oval Office, I’d expect that people at remote locations (like the TV network headquarters) would have noticed a long delay in which everyone was frozen, but those in the room would have thought no delay happened. They would think the Pres had sudden stagefright or something. After several seconds (like after the movie scene ended), they would notice a time loss on their chronometers and the fact that the satellite link had been cut by the network. Do I get a No-Prize? Excelsior!

Hey, Saltire! Long time no see.

I think he’s asking why Mystique wasn’t affected by Jason, since she can only change her physical self, not her psychic self. If he’s not, then I am. :wink:

Nightcrawler rocks my world. Absolutely delicious.

I don’t think Jason was trying to do anything to Mystique. He probably didn’t even know she was there. He was only projecting the illusion for Xavier.

I also think that Jason doesn’t necissarily have mind reading properties, so he probably didn’t realize it wasn’t his father, as Mystique didn’t enter Cerebro until after she’d transformed.

As for the presidential speech, they could’ve all just walked right into the Whitehouse with Prof. X making them invisible to all the humans. They left extremely suddenly, so we were seeing the president’s point of view, so there’s no idea of how long the president was frozen for the XMen to get there. He himself might have been frozen with everyone else for a matter of minutes before Xavior let him move.

Also, when Xavior stops everyone in the museam, you can hear people across cell phones going “Hello?!?” Later, in the X Mansion, when the TV Changing mutant is watcihng TV, he switches to the news for a moment and you hear “And many people are claming that during a visit to the museam, they experienced…” and then the channel changes again, so it’s noticed by outside people, but it’s such an odd experience, it’s brushed off.

John

I, uh, have a theory about that.

Hollywood is a town of schmoozers, bootlickers, backstabbers, and opportunists. In other words, you have to be confident and socially savvy to be in a position to get a major motion picture made.

Confidence and social savvy are psychological traits that develop rather early, before age 8 or so.

Those 8+ year olds who are confident and socially savvy tend to have things go their way. They can stand up to the more strong-willed people and push around the more weak-willed people. They don’t need to develop other survival skills – like using their brains!

[Bender] Hey, Baby, want to kill all the humans? [/Bender]

It’s worse than that.

As you said, Hemophilia is caused by a recessive defect on the X chromosome which has no corresponding allele on the Y chromosome. But as it turns out, all recessive sex-linked traits are carried by a gene or genes on the X chromosome that have no corresponding genes on the Y chromosome. You won’t find a recessive sex-linked trait that works the other way around. All genes on the Y chromosome have a corresponding gene on the X chromosome. In fact, the whole reason they’re called X and Y chromosomes is because, under a microscope, the X chromosome looks like a capital “X” with all 4 “legs” intact, while the Y chromosome looks like a similar structure but missing one piece. That missing “leg” is the physical location of all those genes that exist on the X chromosome but not on the Y chromosome.

I just got back from seeing it again (I really think it’s my favorite movie ever, now). All these questions may have been answered already, but here’re the things I was looking out for:

  1. The bullet that pops out of Wolverine’s head was definitely compacted.

  2. Lady Deathstrike has exactly one line in the movie: “what are you
    doing here?” to Mystique-as-cleaning-man

  3. Nightcrawler pulled the knife out of his own pants leg. He clearly intended to kill the president, but was distracted when shot by a secret serviceman and dropped the knife in the desk.

  4. Rogue uses Pyro’s power both to debilitate him and to extinguish the flames. She doesn’t touch Bobby in that scene.

  5. When Jean is holding back the flood, the last scene before the flood takes over has her with full-on Phoenix flames all around her (I hadn’t noticed that before). Knowing what was going to happen, I noticed a lot more foreshadowing of the Phoenix power all throughout the last half of the movie:
    When she explodes the first missile, she says “Oh God!” I’d thought that this was just a throwaway line, but it seems like she was really saying it because exploding the missile begins to unlock the Phoenix power and it frightens her. Which is why she does nothing to deflect the second one.
    All throughout the dam scenes, she says stuff like “Something terrible is going to happen.” They cut to something terrible happening elsewhere, and I’d thought it was foreshadowing of either Logan’s fight or Prof. X & the Cerebro. But now I think she was saying the Phoenix power was terrible.
    When she deflect’s Cyclops’ eye beam, there’s a shot of her holding it back, and then looking absolutely EVIL and knocking it into the turbines.

As to “why didn’t Jason know it was Mystique talking to him?”: I was under the impression that his power was write-only; he could plant illusions in your head but couldn’t read your mind.

And for the ending with the president: Professor X could manipulate the minds of everyone necessary to get the entire crew into the Oval Office (to make a more effective presentation). Storm’s lightning storm was partly for dramatic effect, but mostly to cover up the missing time. The implication is that once they leave, the President’s going completely off-script right after a freak electrical storm is going to be more disconcerting to people than a few missing minutes.