“Dropped” the knife? Oh, right, he “dropped” the knife point-first so that it stuck in the desk and looked exactly like a warning – with a note attached, no less.
tracer, look on the DVD! (slightly inside joke)
Man, I hope it comes out soonish. The first movie DVD is chock full of peanuts. Extras.
Erm, actually, yes. As I recall it, he draws the knife from his boot with his tail, passes it up to his hand, leans in and makes toothy-kissy faces at the prez…
And gets shot. (Well, winged, anyway.)
He teleports out, and the knife, which he drops, falls to the desk.
Although, I don’t think he was originally supposed to assassinate the president, considering the revelation about Stryker and Jason’s brain juice.
The end result was the same, so it’s all moot, I guess. But it looked to me like he dropped it, when the bullet snapped him out of his “trance.”
So the note would have vanished if the knife would have been stuck in the president’s chest? I vote assassination attempt as well. Stryker would have a lot more to gain with an assassination than he would with just an attempt.
Okay, that’s it. Apparently my mutation is the inability to post properly this week.
The end of that post, which got lost between preview and submit…
By the same token, we never got a look at (or heard from) the VP in the movie. After a mutant kills the prez, how much more likely is it gonna be that the VP will authorize any kind of anti-mutant operation that comes across his desk?
Yep, it’s all there in the movie, big as day. He holds the knife up ready to plunge in, gets shot, it drops and lands upright in the desk, Nightcrawler bamfs out. A scene or two later, Stryker’s examining the knife mark in the desk blotter and says something like “That was a very close one, Mr. President.”
A freaky-looking mutant assassinating the president would be a lot more conducive to anti-mutant revolts than an assassination attempt. Unless he were to plunge the knife all the way through, the note-ribbon would still be visible.
Did anyone else catch this semi-subtle joke?
When the X-men (including Magneto and Mystique) are on the jet planning the infiltration into the Alkali dam thing, Wolverine volunteers to go in. Magneto says, “We need to be able to operate the controls to the tunnel once we get inside. What are you going to do, slash your claws at it?”
Later in the movie, Wolvie needs to close the doors, what does he do? Plunge his claws into the control panel of course! And voila, the doors close!
Okay, I just took a peek at the comic-book adaptation for X2, and in it, Nightcrawler “snaps out of it” just before he’s about to stab the President, and the knife does just happen (by sheer coincidence) to land point-first when he drops it.
The comic-book adaptation writers presumably had access to the X2 movie script, so it was probably an accurate rendition of what was supposed to be going on in the movie.
The same thing happened in the novelization: Nightcrawler is shot, snaps out of it, looks around, and takes off. He drops the knife, and it lands point-first.
<cough cough>
AKA Sprite at this stage in her career, if you don’t mind.
If you need me, I’ll be over here geeking with the homies…
It doesn’t line up with the movie either. She was perfectly capable of ripping the fins off the missile without leaving the cockpit, or even having to see the missile.
I could buy Stryker using drugs to force Magneto to spill the beans in prison. I could accept the story that he could similarly drug another mutant, Deathstrike, into becoming his bodyguard. This situations have real-life parallels. I could it more difficult to believe that he could capture a teleporting mutant and somehow convince him to hatch a plan to infiltrate the White House and attempt to kill the President (and then forget the whole thing).
With regard to Cyclops, it also seemed unlikely to me that within the space of a few days, Stryker had influenced Scott so much that he felt comfortable leaving him to roam the premises, where he would attack his girlfriend. It just seemed so weak and contrived. **
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Cyclops had been drugged perhaps minutes before; when you see the burn on his neck, it’s fresh and raw.
Even without the drug, Stryker has his son directly on hand to provide uber-brainwashing - you know, the thing he used on Xavier and which the entire damn plot of the film was centred around?
Actually, Magneto designed his helmet to sever his connection to Cerebro. That way, Xavier couldn’t find him using the machine.
I have three quibbles with this. The first is that it disappears into his head at a point where the skull is perhaps 1/4" below the surface, and the bullet isn’t compacted that much. The second is that at the angle he was shot, the bullet should have caromed upwards off his skull. The third is that you hear this happen.
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Did she actually speak in The Scorpion King? I can’t recall, but certainly I think they’re playing to her strengths as an actress - long legs and nice tits.
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Agreed. A heavy knife dropped straight down will penetrate wood and leather, Tracer.
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Correct. Pyro can manipulate flame, and as we see in his scene with Magneto in the X-Jet that includes the capacity to extinguish fires.
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I think you’re fanwanking here, Sol. IMHO, there was no reason for her to say that other than because she had been unable to stop the second missile.
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That could be reflections; the whole scene was pretty red. If we’re digging into comic lore, though, there was a point in the original Phoenix arc where Jean-Phoenix completely restrained Cyclops’ eye beams so she could look into his eyes and see what colour they were. (Blue, IIRC - Encyclopaedic Evil Death.)
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Sounds about right.
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What pissed me off about the ending was that Xavier made no attempt to reach out the hand of friendship to humans or offer his services if required. That left the ending as follows:
X-Men turn up in a threatening display of power.
XAVIER: “We’re not going anywhere, Mr President. And I’d just like to add that this huge threatening display of power isn’t meant to be threatening.”
WOLVERINE threatens the President.
X-Men leave without another word.
Way to go, you brainless bald bastard - I can’t think of anything you could have done that would do more to inspire an anti-mutant pogrom. <furrfu>
Yep, that would be pretty sweet. They can keep making these movies as long as the budget holds out and they gross 100 million in a week, after all, assuming they don’t do something stupid like Batman and Robin.
I’m not a big X-men geek. In fact, I’ve only seen the movies, and I thought they were ok as far as popcorn action things go, but that’s it.
Anyway, my big relevation for this thread was discovering where the Kitty Pride that Rivers Cuomo sings about comes from.
As for the movie, I thought that Voldemort was the coolest character. The way he broke out of that prison was well good. Dumbledore was kind of boring as compared to the first movie, and I keep expecting a spin-off series based around the lives of the students at Hogwarts school of X-Men and Mutanty (Dawson’s Creek style, y’know?)
And I liked the scene at Iceguys house with his muggle parents.
Actually, you can have extra chromosomes. It’s more common for men to carry an extra X chromosome, (so they have XXY) this is called Klinefelter Syndrome.
However you can also inherit an extra Y chromosome, so a woman could also have XXY, which I belive it’s called Mosaic or Mosaicism?. (Or a man could have XYY.)
It’s also possible to end up with XXXXY or some other such madness. 
Ewa Klubukowska, a 1964 sprint bronze medalist for Poland, was disqualified when she failed testing as she failed the sex test due to the prescence of a Y chormosome. Theres been a few other two, but this was the first one that came up in a search.
-Apparently there has been some study done that the presence of an extra Y chromosome in males or females leads to violence, although google is not my friend at the moment.
It’s also possible for a woman to have XY chromosomes and remain female because af a mutation on the sex determining gene, which is supposed to switch over to “male” but doesnt.
Hijack Over…
OOOOOOOOH BABY! I loved that film!
There’s a good thread on the Comicboards that addresses some of the common X2 questions. Among other things it includes a link to a screen capture of Stryker’s files listing the names of known mutants.
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Recheck the first movie. In the big standoff scene at the train station, Prof.X can’t affect Magneto because he’s wearing the helmet. He can control Toad and Sabretooth, but has no influence on Mags. So the helmet is designed to block telepathy.
.:Nichol:.
After seeing it again, a few things I noticed.
Magneto’s prison break
While in the form of Senator Kelly, Mystique was surprised to hear Stryker say he had Magneto in prison. She asks, “YOU have Eric? Can you arrange a meeting for me?”
Magneto wasn’t expecting the blood iron doping, but he sensed it immediately and correctly assumed it was Mystique’s doing. Who else?
In addition to the morphing, Mystique is extremely intelligent and adaptive.
Jean Grey / Phoenix
The missle attack on the airplane. She did deflect the second missle. Just not enough. That’s why she said, “Oh God.” and the missle landed a glancing blow on the fuselog and not an engine strike.
In the dam fight with Scotty, she deflects his highbeams and throws it back and in so doing, all the turbines are shifted. That wasn’t just redirecting Scotty. Had to be Phoenix coming out. Or however you want that phrased.
Jason Stryker
In the vision he projects to Picard, the little girl has one blue eye one green/hazel eye, just like him.
Confronting Storm in Cerebro II, he (as the projected smarmy little girl) says, “I’ve got my eye on you!”
So, the eyes (or one eye) have something to do with his power? What mutant would that be?
Professor X and Magneto
They use first names with each other. (Tho Mag later asks Pyro, “No, what’s your real name?”)
When Pro X says, “Old friend,” I got goosebumps and deja vu. Khan in STII:TWOK says this, as does Picard in some ep or movie of TNG (I dont know which one).
Magneto helped build Cerebro in what issue?
I’ve got this thread subscribed, but I may have missed one of these points if previously discussed.
Unless I’ve missed a lot (and revisionism in the comics being what it is, it’s entirely possible, but…) this is purely a movie invention, I think.
Cerebro, in the comics, was also a hell of a lot less useful, in terms of what could be done with it (it was strictly a locator, though once or twice was used to allow Xavier to communicate at extreme long range with someone, in an emergency) as well as being a lot less of a plot device.