In this this thread, Xenophon waltzes in and accuses me of lying multiple times without any kind of reasonable provocation or justification.
Fuck him, he’s a worthless liar, and a hypocrite.
Instead of simply saying he’s wrong he’s trying to create this tortured construct to justify his bad behavior.
Xenophon rarely makes positive arguments. Instead he plays meaningless semantic games.
Fuck him. H’es not worth my time.
So why did you start a Pit thread on him then? It would have been better to just drop from the thread and ignore him if he bothers you. He’s just one person in 12,000.
For a second I thought you meant the real Xenophon!
Just wait’ll Gryllus gets home!!!
Because if I just ignored him and went away, he would be getting away with it, and I think that’s what he wants.
Y’know, odd things can happen when the object of a Pit thread comes and tries to “refute” the Pitting; either an ungodly pileon of the Pittee starts up, or of the Pitter, or some sort of free-for-all ugliness ensues.
I guess decorum requires that I acknowledge the Pitting, and then quietly let the rest of the participants resolve the degree of my crapulence. OK. I’m gratified that I’m not worth your time, though; that bodes well for the brevity of this thread.
Or you could have the class to acknowledge that your actions were wrong.
You could apologize for making unwarranted accusations.
Xenophon, crapulence means eating and drinking too much.
Scylla, now that I’ve looked at the linked thread, I agree with Xenophon, and feel that you’re reacting a bit precipitously. I’m sure if we all sit down together, we can resolve this peacefully.
On the other hand, go screw yourself, ya fucking baby.
As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, Scylla, no one, but no one, is as quick to fling the word “liar” at another poster, and usually with so little provocation.
Heres how it looks to me: not being able to inflict any real rhetorical damage on the central issue (as stated in the OP) you indulged yourself in a deconstruction of Mr. Hersh’s reporting style. Nothing wrong with that, in and of itself. But it buggers the issue, doesn’t it? As you frequently do, you took a somewhat “lawyerly” approach, applying spin control that would make Sandy Koufax blush. Again, nothing wrong with that. Rather enjoyed it, myself, its a classic example of your work.
Now comes friend Xeno, and I think this is the “offending” sentence: “…By which I mean you’re saying some things which you seem to understand aint exactly so.” When I read this, my clear understanding was that he was tweaking you (rather mildly) for just that: spin.
By no stretch of the imagination could that merit the offense you have taken. Honest. No kidding, Operation Candor, straight from the shoulder. One has to wonder if you conduct yourself in real life as you do here. Do you have a fist fight every time you go to a bar? Do you keep a set of dueling pistols in your hope chest?
Xeno engaged you lightly, humorously, and referenced each and every point from your very words. No way did he deserve the vitriol you displayed.
You’re what, just short of 40? Companero, if you don’t learn to lighten up, you’ll never live to see your daughters ask you for money for graduate school. Art History.
Worse, poor Xeno is curled up with his banky sobbing himself to sleep.
I knew I should’ve gone with “fucktitude”.
Oh gimme a break, Scylla.
The briefing in question was the September 24 briefing to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
The article goes on to say:
It then adds:
IOW, Hersh is saying the things you’re saying he’s not saying.
RTF:
I disagree. Hersh strongly implies that the issue of the yellow cake was discussed at the meeting. He does not explicitly state it though. That’s how I parse it.
Since we disagree I guess that makes me disingenuous and dishonest in your eyes as well.
I hope you’ll understand if I’m not as interested in the specific matter up for debate as I am in the issue as to whether Xenophon was justified in calling me dishonest several times as his opening salvo into the debate.
Is it your opinion that he was justified?
elucidator:
Well, since we’re being and honest and all that, I seem to recall that you were the one who literally challenged me to a duel over something similar not too long ago, so umm… Pot, Kettle, Black and all that.
You certainly don’t like being called dishonest, and you certainly get pretty worked up about it whenever it happens. In this case there was no provocation or call for it whatsoever. I came to that thread literally at your invitation. I stressed that I wanted to avoid the usual bickering did I not? I came bearing the olive branch, and Xenophon attacked my honesty multiple times in his initial post. I even tried to back away and leave it alone, but he continued baiting me.
Why should I not, according to your own practiced criteria be pissed?
Yeah, I do remember that! Do you remember that the first person to say “liar” was you? Do you remember that first person to say “liar” is always you? Do you know how many times you have seized somebody by the lapels and screamed “liar” in his face till the viens stand out in your neck? Countless. Literally countless.
You got a Jeckyl-Hyde thing going, buddy. You can be relatively entertaining, if relentlessly self-revelatory. But if anybody trods upon your oh-so-delicate dignity you lose it. All of it. You’re as prickly as methadrine addicted porcupine.
Get over yourself. Life is too short to live like that.
“Viens”?
Like “veins” but the blood flows backward. Quite painful I hear.
Yeah, ‘viens’. It’s French for ‘get over here’.
My wife’s got a pair of those, but they stand out from her chest, not her neck.
So you accuse someone of lying because they called you a liar.
You don’t like when someone calls you a liar but you can use that insult on another AND cal that person a hypocrite.
This lying hypocrite who isn’t worth your time is actually worth a great deal of your time.
There’s a word that would describe all of these behaviors but… ironically, I cannot think of it right now.
Too many people here watch The Daily Show to let that one slip by, Enderw24. Please report to a processing facility immediately.
Damn you and your infernal television watching ways!