Clusterfucks = most appropriate roto-team name ever, working just as hard in the offseason as it does during the regular.
I ought to get my potential keepers on paper.
[del]1. (3) S. Alexander[/del]
[del]2. (26) C. Johnson [/del]
[del]3. (31) J. Arrington [/del]
4. (54) T. Jones
5. (59) T. Houshmandzadeh
6. (82) Carolina
[del]7. (87) B. Leftwich [/del]
8. (110) M. Robinson
[del]9. (115) A. Brooks [/del]
10. (138) M. Vanderjagt
[del]11. (143) Mi. Clayton [/del]
[del]12. (166) Q. Griffin [/del]
[del]13. (171) B. Franks [/del]
14. (194) K. Curtis
[del]15. (199) M. Booker [/del]
16. () D. Rhodes
He Hate Me Keeper League Year 3 Roundup (Second year with keepers)
Keeper Rules
- You can only keep a maximum of 3 players.
- You can only keep players drafted after the third round. (Fourth rounders or later only.)
- A player can only be kept a maximum of twice. (Making 3 total roster years.)
- A kept player incures a two round penalty. (e.g: drafted in the 6th, kept in the 4th.)
- The deadline for declaring keepers isn’t until at least next year’s thread is started.
Hall of Fame
Year 1 winner: mouthbreather (Although rosters were lost, so no keepers going into year 2, allowing me to join.)
Year 2 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Year 3 winner: Spiritus Mundi
Final Standings: Year 3
- Mundi Morning Blues
- Cedric Benson Busts
- Fourth And Nineteen
- Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
- BoomGoesTheDynamite
- New York Fanboys
- Rhinosaurs(neuroman)
- Clusterfucks
- Crabby Hermits
- Feed My Family
- Moridwon
- Baltimore Wierdos
- Fightin’ Quakers
- Pentium None
Draft Order, Year 4
- BoomGoesTheDynamite
- New York Fanboys
- Rhinosaurs(neuroman)
- Clusterfucks
- Pentium None
- Fightin’ Quakers
- Baltimore Wierdos
- Moridwon
- Feed My Family
- Crabby Hermits
- Varlos’ Zzzzzzz
- Fourth and Nineteen
- Cedric Benson Busts
- Mundi Morning Blues
Settings (Not in stone, but this is what we used this year.)
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can’t Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: November 18, 2005
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: 2 days
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories (Not in stone, but this is what we used this year.)
Passing Yards (30 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (10 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (10 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Yards (30 yards per point)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (1)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns (6)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes
The next post will contain the complete list of all final rosters with keeper eligibility. Thanks to the recent posts by a few owners, I only have a few more to do, so I’m doing it now.
Trades are allowed before the draft, and in fact at least one has already happened. Feel free to post details of your trades after the roster roundup to follow. I encourage you do this, to make it easy to remember when we begin next year’s league.
Here’s the complete list of final rosters, in next year’s draft order, with keeper info. Note that all draft rounds are from THIS year, so anyone you keep will cost a draft pick two rounds earlier.
Players not eligible to be keepers have been [del]struck out[/del], along with the reason they are ineligible. Players eligible for keeper status are followed with their draft round, how many times they’ve been kept before, and how acquired if the owner didn’t draft them. I also bolded the keepers that look promising.
Players kept last year can be kept again, but this is their final year of eligibility. This applies even if you weren’t the owner who kept them last year. (Right?)
As a final note, the yahoo site isn’t the final word. Partially because for some reason they don’t list the final standings properly, (eg: the consolation bracket is a clusterfuck,) but also because we had several drafting fuckups where somebody accidentally drafted somebody else’s keeper. VarlosZ did a great job correcting this back on page 3, which is the list I went by for determining keeper eligibility.
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BoomGoesTheDynamite (Munch)
QB C. Palmer (10th round pick) - kept last year
WR Ji. Smith (5th round pick)
WR D. Bennett (6th round pick) - kept last year
RB T. Duckett (7th round pick)
[del]RB Z. Crockett[/del] (free agent)
[del]TE J. Stevens[/del] (free agent)
[del]W/R Ma. Clayton[/del] (free agent)
BN L. Jordan (5th rounder, trade from Baltimore Weirdos) - kept last year
BN L. Smith (8th round pick)
[del]BN M. Alstott[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN S. Bryson[/del] (free agent)
BN M. Jenkins (15th round pick)
[del]BN A. Chatman[/del] (free agent)
[del]K J. Kasay[/del] (free agent)
[del]DEF Minnesota[/del] (released and re-signed)
[del]BN Indianapolis[/del] (free agent) -
New York Fanboys (Ellis Dee)
QB E. Manning (9th round pick)
WR P. Burress (6th rounder, trade from Baltimore Weirdos.)
WR A. Toomer (12th round pick)
[del]RB T. Barber[/del] (1st rounder)
[del]RB J. Sowell[/del] (free agent)
TE J. Shockey (4th round pick)
[del]W/R L. Coles[/del] (3rd rounder)
BN J. McCareins (14th round pick)
[del]BN C. Martin[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]BN W. Ponder[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN T. Carter[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN D. Ward[/del] (free agent)
K J. Feely (7th round pick)
[del]BN M. Nugent[/del] (released and re-signed)
DEF New York Giants (8th round pick)
[del]BN New York Jets[/del] (released and re-signed) -
Rhinosaurs (neuroman)
QB J. Plummer (7th round pick)
[del]WR H. Ward[/del] (Free agent? Looks like an eligible 4th rounder acquired by trade from Mundi. Not kept last year.)
WR Ro. Williams (7th round pick) - kept last year
[del]RB C. Portis[/del] (1st rounder)
[del]RB M. Barber[/del] (free agent
TE T. Heap (6th round pick)
W/R D. Driver (4th round pick)
[del]BN J. Jones[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]BN T. Bell[/del] (2nd rounder, trade from Baltimore Weirdos.)
BN D. Brees (8th round pick)
BN D. Stallworth (10th round pick)
BN K. McCardell (11th round pick)
K J. Reed (12th round pick)
DEF Philadelphia (9th round pick)
[del]BN Seattle[/del] (free agent
[del]BN Washington[/del] (free agent -
Clusterfucks (BabaBooey)
[del]QB M. Brunell[/del] (free agent)
WR E. Kennison (5th round pick)
WR D. Branch (6th round pick) - kept last year
[del]RB C. Williams[/del] (3rd rounder)
[del]RB C. Houston[/del] (free agent for Speedy McQuickFingers…heh)
TE J. Wiggins (12th round pick))
W/R R. Williams (13th round pick) - kept last year (BWAHAHAHAHA)
BN K. Warner (7th round pick)
BN M. Moore (4th round pick)
BN B. Edwards (8th round pick)
BN K. Orton (16th round pick)
[del]BN R. Fitzpatrick[/del] (free agent)
BN M. Hicks (14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Feed My Family)
K L. Tynes (15th round pick)
DEF Chicago (14th round pick)
BN Dallas (10th round pick) -
Pentium None (Nurse Carmen)
[del]QB P. Manning[/del] (1st rounder)
WR C. Chambers (5th round pick)
[del]WR J. Horn[/del] (3rd rounder)
[del]RB D. Foster[/del] (2nd rounder)
RB M. Faulk (4th round pick)
TE C. Cooley (10th round pick)
[del]W/R K. Robinson[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN W. Welker[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN B. Watson[/del] (free agent)
BN N. Burleson (11th round pick) - kept last year
BN T. Taylor (14th round pick)
BN J. Bettis (7th round pick) - kept last year
BN B. Roethlisberger (12th round pick) - kept last year
[del]K R. Lindell[/del] (free agent)
[del]DEF Tennessee[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN St. Louis[/del] (free agent) -
Fightin’ Quakers (furt)
[del]QB D. Garrard[/del] (free agent)
WR M. Muhammad (8th round pick) - kept last year
WR L. Fitzgerald (5th round pick)
RB F. Gore (10th round pick)
[del]RB M. Bennett[/del] (3rd rounder)
TE H. Miller (9th round pick)
W/R S. Smith (4th round pick)
[del]BN M. McMahon[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN K. Holcomb[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN T. Thompson[/del] (free agent)
BN Ma. Jones (11th round pick)
[del]BN R. Brown[/del] (3rd rounder, trade from Moridwon)
[del]BN J. Arrington[/del] (3rd rounder, trade from Cedrick Benson Busts)
BN R. Dayne (13th round pick)
[del]K N. Kaeding[/del] (free agent)
DEF Arizona (14th round pick) -
Baltimore Weirdos (Weirddave)
[del]QB K. Boller[/del] (free agent)
WR J. Porter (5th round pick)
[del]WR C. Henry[/del] (free agent)
RB R. Droughns (4th round pick)
RB S. Davis (9th round pick)
TE A. Gates (10th round pick) - kept last year
W/R L. Johnson (9th rounder, trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite) - kept last year
BN K. Collins (4th rounder, trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite)
[del]BN A. Hakim[/del] (free agent)
BN D. Givens (8th round pick)
[del]BN D. Hall[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN K. Barlow[/del] (3rd rounder)
[del]BN G. Frerotte[/del] (free agent)
K M. Stover (11th round pick)
DEF Baltimore (7th round pick)
[del]BN Jacksonville[/del] (free agent) -
Moridwon (Hamlet)
QB M. Vick (6th round pick)
[del]WR R. Moss[/del] (1st rounder)
[del]WR J. Jurevicius[/del] (free agent)
RB S. Jackson (4th round pick) - kept last year
[del]RB G. Jones[/del] (free agent)
TE R. McMichael (8th round pick) - kept last year
[del]W/R R. Brown[/del] (3rd rounder)
[del]BN K. Jones[/del] (2nd rounder)
BN B. Favre (5th round pick)
BN T. Williamson (11th round pick)
BN M. Pittman (11th rounder - trade from Fourth and Nineteen)
[del]BN B. Jones[/del] (free agent)
[del]K J. Brown[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN R. Bironas[/del] (free agent)
[del]DEF Miami[/del] (free agent)
BN Buffalo (10th round pick) -
Feed My Family (Jimmy Chitwood)
[del]QB T. Green[/del] (3rd rounder)
WR J. Galloway (4th round pick)
[del]WR M. Harrison[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]RB J. Lewis[/del] (1st rounder)
[del]RB D. Sproles[/del] (free agent)
TE A. Crumpler (5th round pick)
W/R A. Boldin (6th round pick) - kept last year
BN S. McNair (10th round pick)
BN B. Lloyd (11th round pick)
BN D. Staley (7th round pick)
BN A. Bryant (12th round pick)
BN D. Carr (9th round pick) - kept last year
BN R. Moats (14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Moridwon)
K J. Wilkins (14th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from BoomGoesTheDynamite)
[del]BN N. Rackers[/del] (free agent)
DEF Denver (16th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Moridwon) -
Crabby Hermits (The Mad Hermit)
QB D. Bledsoe (9th round pick)
WR I. Bruce (5th round pick)
[del]WR P. Crayton[/del] (free agent)
[del]RB C. Brown[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]RB C. Dillon[/del] (1st rounder)
TE Da. Clark (7th round pick)
W/R W. Parker (11th round pick)
BN A. Randle El (10th round pick)
BN A. Lelie (6th round pick) - kept last year
BN A. Brooks (9th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Cedric Benson Busts)
[del]BN R. Proehl[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN V. Haynes[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN A. Smith[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN R. Smart[/del] (free agent)
K J. Elam (8th round pick) - kept last year
DEF Pittsburgh (12th round pick) - kept last year -
Varlos’ Zzzzzzz (VarlosZ)
QB M. Hasselbeck (4th round pick)
[del]WR T. Holt[/del] (2nd rounder)
WR Ke. Johnson (8th round pick)
[del]RB E. James[/del] (1st rounder)
RB W. McGahee (5th round pick) - kept last year
TE J. Witten (6th round pick)
W/R B. Engram (10th round pick)
BN R. Ferguson (12th round pick)
[del]BN E. Wilford[/del] (free agent)
BN B. Jacobs (13th round pick) (fucker!)
[del]BN L. Evans[/del] (free agent)
BN D. Jackson (4th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Crabby Hermits)
[del]BN C. Simms[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN P. Pass[/del] (free agent)
K S. Janikowski (14th round pick)
[del]DEF Green Bay[/del] (free agent) -
Fourth and Nineteen (Wilson)
QB J. Delhomme (8th round pick)
WR R. Wayne (4th round pick) - kept last year
WR D. Mason (5th round pick)
[del]RB L. Tomlinson[/del] (#1 overall)
[del]RB F. Taylor[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]TE J. Putzier[/del] (free agent)
[del]W/R J. Wells[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN A. Smith[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN S. Gado[/del] (free agent)
BN E. Moulds (7th round pick)
BN B. Stokley (12th round pick) - kept last year
BN M. Williams (9th round pick)
BN P. Rivers (16th round pick)
[del]BN E. Parker[/del] (free agent)
[del]K S. Graham[/del] (free agent)
DEF Atlanta (10th round pick) -
Cedric Benson Busts (Omniscient)
[del]QB C. Frye[/del] (free agent)
WR K. Curtis (14th round pick)
[del]WR C. Johnson[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]RB S. Alexander[/del] (1st rounder)
RB T. Jones (4th round pick)
TE B. Troupe (15th rounder, may be ineligible; possible trade from Fightin’ Quakers)
W/R T. Houshmandzadeh (5th round pick)
[del]BN J. Losman[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN B. Bollinger[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN B. Finneran[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN A. Peterson[/del] (free agent)
BN D. Rhodes (16th round pick)
BN M. Robinson (8th round pick)
[del]BN C. Perry[/del] (free agent)
K M. Vanderjagt (10th round pick)
DEF Carolina (6th round pick) - kept last year -
Mundi Morning Blues (Spiritus Mundi)
QB T. Brady (6th round pick)
WR S. Moss (8th round pick)
WR Ro. Smith (7th round pick)
[del]RB R. Johnson[/del] (1st rounder)
[del]RB M. Anderson[/del] (3rd rounder, trade from Rhinosaurs)
[del]TE T. Gonzalez[/del] (3rd rounder)
W/R W. Dunn (5th round pick) - kept last year
BN T. Glenn (16th round pick)
[del]BN D. Davis[/del] (2nd rounder)
[del]BN A. Johnson[/del] (free agent)
BN C. Taylor (9th round pick) - kept last year
BN R. Caldwell (13th round pick)
[del]BN T. Bouman[/del] (free agent)
[del]BN D. Flutie[/del] (free agent)
K A. Vinatieri (11th round pick) - kept last year
DEF Cincinnati (15th round pick)
Wow, that took longer than I thought it would. (I’ve been doing this nonstop since the previous post.) My eyes are just about shot at this point, but I think this is mostly correct. Corrections and clarifications are welcome.
Dammit, this is actually a departure from how we did it last year, and I didn’t notice until just now. Doh!
If you check the draft order on the yahoo page, you’ll note that I drafted 10th overall, and we all know I was dead last the year before. So if we wanted to be consistent, Pentium would be drafting 10th, not 5th.
However, I thought it was a bit of a raw deal that dead last drafted 10th, (though it didn’t matter for me personally,) so I think this way is actually much preferred.
I’m not sure what happened there. Looking at the previous draft order you’re right, but I remember us agreeing that it’d be this way.
It was 1-4 draft slots were the 4 consolation bracket teams based on order of finish, 5-10 were the bottom 6 finishers in reverse order, and 11-14 were the top four finishers in reverse order.
Though it appears that we ended up with the 5-10 slots being the bottom 6 in order of finish instead. Was that a fuck-up or did we change our mind?
Looking at the conversations on the yahoo page, it appears that we were planning on doing it the same way as last year. I also found a few other tidbits of interest.
Regarding the draft order:
There was clarification that the seeding wasn’t needed because we could just use the final results. But Pentium is listed as 10th. As I said, I’m not a fan of this, and would prefer the order I listed above, which I copied from early in page 4 of this thread. Speaking of which, that inconsistency was noted:
Apparently nobody, as no objections were raised.
Regarding how to handle trades of draft picks, and the potential nightmare of people making errors similar to forgetting another guy’s keeper, Mundi had a great idea:
Regarding my question of whether you could trade first round selections, as they are on the Can’t Cut list:
Well, I made a trade with BoomGoesThe Dynamite. I traded Larry Johnson for his first round pick this coming year and for his second round pick the year following. What are the logistics for handling that?
Basically, it would appear that the only requirements are that you both be involved in the live draft, but even that won’t be necessary because it is the first overall pick.
Normally, the best way to handle it would be when Boom’s first rounder is on the clock, you call out who you want him to pick, and he drafts that guy onto his team for you. You then wait to draft LJ in the 7th as is his normal keeper position. After the draft, either the commish can then swap those two players, or you two can just do a straight-up trade.
But because you’re acquiring the first overall pick, and you don’t have to worry that your guy will be taken ahead of you, there is a much better way to handle it. Simply let us know (whenever, as long as it’s before the draft starts) who you want with his pick. (I’m guessing Tomlinson.) Then we can all add him to our exclude lists like a regular keeper. Boom will then pick up Johnson with the #1 overall, and you’ll pick Tomlinson (or whomever) with your 7th rounder. That way no post-draft trades would be necessary.
Regarding the “max three keepers” rule, I’m going back and forth on this one. You are trading away what I’ll refer to as the “keeper rights” to a player, meaning you can’t make the trade unless you “spend” one of your max three keepers on him. Then again, he is acquiring the “keeper rights” to a player, which could mean he’s using up one of his max three keepers as well.
I don’t care, and won’t object to whatever, but my two cents would be that this trade – because it involves a keeper – would cost both of you one of your max three keeper spots, meaning that you can only (in effect) keep two guys, and Boom can only keep two guys other than Johnson.
Oh, and, uh, I personally find this trade notably lopsided in favor of one of you. I’m not going to say which just yet, as I don’t want to be the guy who screwed this up for one of you, but it really does seem to be an unfair trade to me. Do we want to have a policy on that, similar to yahoo’s objection feature?
No, that won’t work because then I’d only get my pick at #7 in the first round, not the 2 1st round picks this trade gives me.
He proposed it to me. I accepted. I was quite happy to keep LJ as a 7th round pick, and really the effect is the same. No question that LJ is a 1st round pick this year, the only difference is that now I get to pick “him” (or his value) at #1 overall.
ooops. I misread. Sorry. This would work. My confusion is that I also have the 7th pick in the draft. I read “7th pick” instead of “7th rounder”. My mistake.
Why do I not remember this? Seems like trading for “future” considerations would have been something that needed to be discussed amongst everyone.
Why? The league is modeled on the NFL, and such trades are common there. Once we decided that we could trade players for picks, I don’t see what the big deal is.
There you have it. I don’t recall there being a conversation stating we could trade picks of players.
Not saying it didn’t happen, but I don’t recall seeing it. Little help?
you guys got any openings?
There was some conversation regarding draft day trades, but I don’t think trading picks in future seasons was ever discussed in earnest (or possibly at all?)
I’m not opposed in theory to the idea of trading future picks, but operationally it seems like a hassle. It requires bookkeeping, as we’ll have to maintain records of those trades. The beauty of coach-to-coach trades on draft day is that in theory the commish doesn’t have to mess with them.
Plus, there is always the chance someone drops out of the league. If an owner has mortgaged his future by trading away next year’s picks and then quits the league, we are left with the unpleasant choice of
- saddling a new owner with a disadvantaged team, or
- screwing over the existing owner who was expecting those picks.
Least Original, check back as summer rolls around to see if we have anyone not returning whose reins you could take. But even if there aren’t any openings in this league, there should be several SDMB fantasy football leagues floating around.
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I certainly recall the trading of draft picks on draft day. That I have no issue with. Active players for picks seems like another barrel of worms, I personally don’t like it, seems like a recipe for a draft day disaster.
Wait, what? The only active players are keepers. You don’t like the idea of trading keepers for picks?
A keeper pretty much is a draft pick; i.e: Dave’s 7th rounder (keeper draft pick) for Munch’s 1st rounder…
(Ignoring for the moment the future picks issue.)
I see your point, but somehow it feels like there’s extra complexity there. Maybe I’m just being paranoid.