That’s why they’re “amazing” right now. The Sox franchise is not amazing, but this year’s lineup sure is.
Bullpen, more like:D
Since when is Johnny Damon a pitcher?
Since when are Arroyo, Timlin, Wakefield, Leskanic, Foulke et al. in the lineup? From Game 4, on the Sox bullpen was just disgustingly good:) How many scoreless innings did they pile up, how many innings did individual relievers amass while blanking the Sox, and what were the stakes?
My goodness.
If anyone woulda told me that the Yankees would be the first ever team to go up 3-0 and lose…
Well, it’s not like it was impossible. I mean, this was the team that utterly obliterated probably the greatest Mariners team in history, only to suffer a bizarre game 7 collapse in the WS. In the 9th. Against the Arizona Diamondbacks. And then went on to lose another one to ANOTHER McFranchise, the Florida Marlins, a team that was torn to shreds by it’s psychotic owner just a few years ago. Let’s not forget the one year they were completely overshadowed by Jeff freakin’ Kent and that psychotic hellspawn Rally Monkey fad (which didn’t survive to the next season, thank all gods).
I mean, c’mon! All this talk of Red Sox WS collapses, Red Sox pennant collapses…what about the YANKEES’ faceplants? Hey, this is crunch time baseball; don’t tell me you weren’t watching. Mariano Rivera blowing a save in the game of his life was unthinkable, and I hardly heard anything about it afterward.
Anyway, this is a valuable lesson for all you Yankees diehards out there…if it’s good enough to finish first, it’s still going to finish second, third, and fourth a lot, and it can still make history in the worst possible way. Ask Tiger Woods.
duffer - Serious? Man, I feel for you.
Why not? They were the first team to go up 2-0 in a five-game series and lose, to the Mariners in 1995. Perhaps the Yankees are more prone to rely upon their history and their mystique than other teams.
Anyway, my prediction for the NY headlines tomorrow:
FOCK DESE GOYS
Buncha Bums
Okay, fans of New York and Boston, be honest: How many of you, either in bitterness or joy, actually wept?
I wasn’t crying, but I was shrieking and squealing like a little schoolgirl.
Gammons, Reynolds et al. are being overly optimistic about the end of The Curse, though. It was never completely about the Yankees, else 1967, 1975, 1986 and some other years not involving the Yankees … wouldn’t be mentioned in any and every piece about The Curse/Red Sox.
I was surprised that I was actually crying during this game.
I was not much a baseball fan as a child, but I kind of discovered baseball while in college in Connecticut during the 1986 World Series. I had several friends who were Red Sox fans, and knew several complete a-holes who were Mets fans. From game 2 of the 86 World Series on I was a Red Sox fan.
I have also been a huge fan of Bill James since 1989, when a friend introduced me to his books. So, when the Red Sox actually HIRED BILL JAMES it was an amazing wonderful event.
And over the years, I have really come to despise the fucking Yankees, and to despise the fucking Yankee fans. As much as I like New York City, I despise the arrogant New Yorker attitude that thinks that everyone else in the country is a hayseed or a nobody, and that the only thing that matters is what happens in Manhattan. And I despise the fact that the success of the New York Yankees is implicitly or explicitly taken to support that arrogant view. I despise the fact that the New York Yankees approach has been, for many years, to simply roll out a huge bankroll and buy the best players. And I despise the arrogant, asshole New York fans who seem to think that winning is their due, because they live in New York and New York is the greatest city in the world.
I have my problems with the Red Sox sometimes. I don’t like the history of racism that pervades Boston sports (e.g. the Red Sox were the last baseball team to sign a black player, and I don’t think anyone can say that was a coincidence). And some of the Boston fans can be real jerks too at times. But I still love the team, and I particularly love them now that Theo Epstein is the GM. Because that approach to life–the approach that Lewis talked about in Moneyball–of thinking hard about your situation, and doing everything you can to ask the right questions, and not just taking for granted what the conventional wisdom is, but collecting data and making your own decisions–is one I deeply value. So to see the Sox taking that approach has very much rekindled my enthusiasm for the team.
And to see those guys down THREE GAMES to ZERO, and to see them battle back, when it was SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE that they could win. In a hundred years of organized baseball it had NEVER HAPPENED that a team had come back from that kind of deficit. But they didn’t let that get them down. They dug in, and they came up with the win. And not just a win, but then another win, and then another win AND THEN ANOTHER WIN, in YANKEE STADIUM. It’s just amazing.
And yes I cried. When they made that last out, I cried, because I just couldn’t believe what I was seeing. And I still can’t believe it.
The New York Mets were an expansion team in 1962, and were the laughing stock of the game for their first seven seasons. Then they won the World Series in '69. That team is still known as the Amazing Mets.
I thought it was “Miracle Mets”. Or were they only that for the 1969 season?
FYI, the NY Post late edition headline reads “Damned Yankees, Sox reverse curse with game 7 win.”
The sports page reads “WHAT A CHOKE! Feeble Yankees complete collapse, bow to hated bosox in ALCS.”
All this according to nypost.com.
So, Boston beating the Yankees is a good thing?
Yeah, Rilch, I’ve heard “Miracle Mets”, too. Google has a lot of hits for both phrases.
You know it’s funny. Just a few days ago, when the series was 0-3 for Boston, someone started a thread asking if Boston was guilty of the biggest choke of all time. Someone else then rightly pointed out that, not only was that not the biggest choke of all time (many, many teams have gone down 0-4 before), but it technically wasn’t even a choke, as for it to be a “choke” you have to be favored in the first place, and the Red Sox were clearly the underdog.
Damn that’s one ugly run-on sentence. Sorry 'bout that.
Anyway, Boston then recovered and won the series 4-3. I think we now can say this series did indeed see the biggest choke of all time. By the New York Yankees.
I’d say this counts as perhaps the biggest choke job ever. The only way it could have been bigger is if it was against an underdog small market team.
Sad, pathetic performance by the Yanks these past 4 games. The first two fuckups put me and the wife in such a foul mood that we only kept tabs on the last 2 games, watched the Broadway special on PBS instead.
Oh, and FTR, the curse does not reverse until they win the World Series.
Another NY paper headline update - the Daily News:
The Choke’s On Us
RUTH-LESS!
and last:
Hell Freezes OVER
It is snowing in hell and a pig just flew by my window. Oh happy, happy day. The curse of the A-Rod is here!. Wheeeee!
The Red Sox WERE favored to win the series. 3 won ya 2 at my book.
So, no, the curse isn’t reversed, but damn that was still maybe the best Red Sox win since 1917.
Way bigger than if they had, say, just swept the Yanks in 4 or something. To come back from 3 down, have A-Rod jsut be embarrassed in the series, to do it in Yankee stadium, to really KILL 'EM at home in game 7, to whiff A-Rod in the 9th, to see Rivera come in in a 10-3 ball game to stop it from getting worse. . .
It’s just “the perfect storm” of embarassment to the Yanks, regardless of how many rings they have.
I didn’t actually weep, but I had a real euphoric feeling after the game for a while. I watched all the post game stuff, and then they played some “Aerosmith” as the broadcast shut down. Whatta great night.
Yankees lose! Yankees lose! Thaaaaaaaaa Yankees lose!
Bah. The Yankees still won 100 games with a pitching staff held together with paper clips and rubber bands. Patch a couple holes over the course of the winter, and the boys will be back in force in 2005. The Red Sox, on the other hand, won’t be back. You read it here first.