Yet another help geek boy with women post

My point was to give a realistic appraisal to SHAKES of women hunting in Japan. Yes I agree that it was stated in generalities, but that still doesn’t mean that it would be any less a pretty good summation as anything I’ve ever read about daughters in India according to Anaamika.

I met and dated a very nice Japanese girl (though she had lived abroad half her life) when I was in college. And another lady was interested in me at my last company, but had all the will-power of a soggy grape. Certainly if I wanted a girl I have the looks and the brain to grab just any one I please if I went to the right places, but that still doesn’t mean that it is cool for me to do so on any of the ones for whom sheer charisma is going to get them in the sack. I don’t work like that I have no intention of ever abusing that. If I don’t meet someone who has their own individuality and who isn’t beholden to their parents or the laws of Japanese society then so be it, I can wait to get back to the US. But that still has nothing to do with the current goal of finding even someone to play chess with on the occasion.

I don’t resent the society here, just as said in the OP that I’ve really just had bad luck at all the places I have worked or at my school for coming across anyone who I would particularly care to chat with beyond the school or work setting. It seems that I’ve met some of the worlds least exciting programmers at work, and the other people in my art classes are decent people, I just haven’t particularly clicked with any of them. And I don’t like the idea of getting friendly with people just for the sake of amusing myself. Just personally it is more important to me to have real friends than to be able to go out on a Friday eve to Karaoke, I can wait. But, I am willing to try and find friends subject to thinking of a place to do that that I would actually enjoy going to regardless.

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:eek: =8 :smiley:

What part of this paragraph does not imply “obsessive”? Look, you’re better off forgetting about that girl and focusing on making new friends and acquaintances.

I will also concur that surfing the web and online games are a huge time waster. You should be going out on weekends.

If your desire is to be a crass, offensive jerk, there’s a venue specifically for that purpose. Please stop defecating in other peoples’ threads for your own amusement.

Stranger

Kinda looks at msmiths’ post… While I won’t disagree that online games lacks in ways from plain human communication, I don’t believe that that was one of the greater mysteries of the world.

Anyways. Does anyone want to look for something along the lines of an expat club (Tokyo)? So far I have found The American Club with membership at a low price of $21,000…so no go. Learning ikebana is not so good, but sitting about playing board games and reading the Economist would sound not so bad. Though I’m not sure how such things work.

Folks here have been kind enough to give me unvarnished opinions in the past, so here’s mine for you. I hope you’ll forgive the blunt nature of my approach, but I think an intervention is in order. I’ll cover four points.

Point one. You keep putting that on a pedestal and pretty soon it’s out of reach. Charming the pants off some Japanese hottie is a far cry from a foul ball, and I don’t know where or why you attached a negative connotation to the idea. Charisma is the only way you’re going to meet someone anyway, where there’s a severe linguistic or cultural divide. It’s not like you’re going to score based on your perfect use of irony. So that’s point number one: do not put it on a pedestal.

Point number two. 99.9% of the girls on this planet do not give a rat’s ass about chess. Chess remains an almost entirely male affliction, similar to (and far more nerdy than) single malt scotches, bagpipes and shotgun collections. Do not mention chess to women, or think about chess in connection to women. I know you only mentioned it once, but I feel it needs to be addressed right away.

Point three. Pissing away your time into a MMOG ranks somewhere near a heroin habit in terms of constructive value to your life, and like any such habit the amount of excuses you’ll generate to justify the loss will have no bounds. I know because I’ve been there. (“Grossbottom” was my sexah Everquest troll, and I did love him so.) Shutting yourself inside alone and playing video games is only conducive to a lifestyle of shutting yourself inside alone and playing video games…which is to say, a lifestyle that to a single male means not getting laid, ever. Potentially worse than that is not ever meeting that sweet little thing with whom you are destined to fall in love, have children with, and for whom you will buy an expensive European sportscar. Or maybe that’s just me, nevermind. Now I don’t want to sound like a raunch here, but: say goodbye to your guild, delete that crap from your hard drive, go outside and discover the land that invented bukkake.

Point three cannot be overstated. If you want to see a change for the better in your relations with the fairer sex, you’ll ditch the MMOG scene.

Fourth and final point: forget the ex. Take her contact information right now and destroy it. Tear it up and flush it down the toilet, delete it from the cellphone, whatever. Down that road lies humiliation, pain and abject defeat. You are Cortez and this is the New World.

Burn the ships and forge ahead. And good luck.

Can I just say that this is sheer brilliance in its simplicity.

I’m a little annoyed that my post is the only one you haven’t bothered to reply to. And I’ll ask once again, why even consider ponying up big bucks for more homogeneity when you could meet up with some nice Japanese people in their normal hangouts for cheap or free? To me, playing board games and reading The Economist with a bunch of people in a club (who you may or may not actually be FRIENDS with) sounds dreadfully dull, when you could be off having adventures, or forcing yourself to try.

I didn’t mean to skip your post, Big Bad Voodoo Lou. And I have no problem with going out and doing things with Japanese people–just the only Japanese person I know was erased off the board at the beginning of the thread, and I trust that appraisal well enough. But saying to get out and go places isn’t terribly meaningful by itself. I’m fine with that up to the point that we’re talking about something I would enjoy doing; I’m not going to start taking aerobics so I can pick up chicks. But I am willing to go do things that seem like something I would enjoy. And if that means that the limit to how close I become with someone is to make the odd grunting noise at the sixty year old British fart when it’s his turn–that’s still more time I’ll have spent enjoying myself with another human than over the grand majority of my current tenure here.

But at the moment the only two things that have come to mind for getting out to do (besides going to the movies and the bookstore) is to play pool–which hasn’t worked out–and to try and look up other expats. They’re people too, and probably easier to finagle into going out for pool (without going as a group.) I’ve considered things like learning swordfighting 柔剣 but, at the moment, frankly I want to have something to do that doesn’t require me to be diligent or have to work.

And to Grossbottom, I respect your intentions but you are making several misconceptions.
Point one, I do agree that you’re not going to get the girl if you don’t turn on the charm–but simply I’m not going to do it just to get laid. If I meet someone interesting then certainly, but that’s a lot different from what I was talking about. And anyways, if my perfect irony isn’t rubbing her in all the right ways, then obviously my real charm has been lost. :wink:

But the overall point of the OP and the thread really has very little to do with picking up chicks; benignly or otherwise. Which goes to point two.

Yes, chess is not the great babe magnet (or at least that fact has been hidden well.) But that really is fairly irrelevant. No, a chess-playing goddess of youthful passion, vigor, and the legs to snap your spine atwixt would not be frowned upon! But…if the man asks for chess he might mean that he is satisfied just to be able to play a game of chess. Definitely a preference between the two…but hey I’m easy.

Point three would go towards gamers who muuuust grind another 8000 points for uber loot before bed. I do it as a way to shoot the shit with my palls. When I’m ready to go to bed, I sleep, when I have work to do I do my work, and when I want to shoot the shit at 3am because I’m nocturnal, I go and shoot the shit. My only problem is that I refuse to let my life degrade like my fellow programmers to such that all they do at home is sleep and the laundry. Yes this means I get less sleep, but at least I can say I have a life beyond work; even if only a virtual one. And it’s better than staying up for Japanese late night TV shudders which is about the only other option for afterwork entertainment on weekdays.

Fourth point. Being tempted to write, call, etc. would require temptation. I wrote the OP based on simple math which was, I need a human to shoot the shit with because this sucks–but the only human I know within 3000 miles is the Evil One. So, eh, post it on the Dope, check my dice. Beyond that I am perfectly fine to leave my old emails to sit on my backup drive as going through to find them would be a lovely experience of :eek: :frowning: :smack: … :eek: :confused: :smack: … :dubious: :rolleyes: :smack: … :smack: … :smack: It’ll fail to get transferred to a new computer eventually. I can wait.

Sage Rat, I suggest looking for libraries that specialize in foreign language books or at least make a point of having a large section devoted to foreign language books.

In several countries I’ve seen corkboards in those, where people set up conversation clubs and things like that. Those are quite informal, just some people who are “native” in the target language meeting with some who are not around a café table. No fees or anything; they often end up being a pretty fair exchange where each part teaches one language to the other side. You have to leave your quiet side at home bigtime, which can be hard.

I know you’re not looking to pick up chicks or getting married :stuck_out_tongue: but being pretty asocial myself and having lived abroad several times, I’ve figured out the point when I need to kick my ass out of the house Or Else. Except for Philly (where apparently you need to fill paperwork and compromise to a fixed weekly period even to go to Mass), it’s worked everywhere.

KICK ME!

Bookstores, darn. Not libraries, although libraries would work too. Sorry, spanish Librerías trip me up quite often.

Fine. You don’t want to hit Roppongi and sleaze some chick into the sack. I can respect that. There are some pretty sad caricatures of guys that do. You’re still greatly exaggerating the homogeneity and spinelessness of Japanese women, their thraldom to their families, and taboos about cross cultural relationships, though. [amateur psychiatrist] Are you *inventing * reasons not to meet women? [/amateur psychiatrist]

You’re living in one of the greatest cities on Earth, and surrounded by some of the most beautiful women. What do you want your memories of Japan to be, playing Dungeons And Dragons on your computer alone in your apartment, mooning over some chick who probably tells horror stories about her crazy ex, and all the while inventing excuses why you can’t date Japanese women? Not much to look back on, is it?

SageRat:

You’re in Tokyo. From what I know, it’s a 24-hour town. When you get home from work, shower and go out. There will be people out having a good time, whether it’s Roppongi or around Shinjuku.

I’ll second Grossbottom…get off the computer MMORPGs, get outside.

Do you play any sports? I know that there are many singles sports clubs in Tokyo, and I’m sure there’s at least one billiards league. I met my wife in a tennis league, and I’m pretty sure the Japanese play tennis (lots of swimmers, too).

Do you have any Japanese guy-friends? There’s nothing wrong about hanging out with guys to meet girls. You’ll look different, act slightly different, etc. This may be what you need to attract that chess-playing, MMORPG-loving girl you’re looking for.

Seriously, get off the on-line games. And while it sounds interesting (to me, a guy), I doubt you’ll meet a nice girl in a swordsmanship class.

Your title implies geeky self-awareness. Get out of the box for one day per week.

-Cem

Don’t they have dating sites in Japan? :confused:

Oops, I resurrected an old thread. Sorry !

Closed.