Yo, Otto

Road apples.

thus proving that you really are

There’s no trying, Asshat. What’s exceedingly lame is your absolutely cavalier comment about the best news the family of a missing child could get.

Well, apparently one of the Admins got bored with you.

It wasn’t done as a favour to you; it was done to show how much of an Asshat you are when it comes to the LDS. Now, you very well may be an Asshat towards all the churches, but that doesn’t make you any less a bigot.

Read, but apparently not post to, hey?

Check this thread. :slight_smile:

Oh, well, I guess you didn’t get any privs yanked, just an apt username. Oh, well. Nothing good lasts forever.

Monty, I’d call you a dick, but as you know I like dick. I had no idea that being a Mormon gave you the psychic ability to determine whether or not I knew the religion of the Smart family. In point of fact I didn’t, because I didn’t follow the story when it broke beyond registering that there was a missing girl somewhere. Your insistence that I knew and your demand that others buy into your “Otto hates all things Mormon” delusion is your damage, not mine.

And why would I post to a thread from three years ago if I have nothing to add to it? I re-read it and my comments all stand. Again, if you choose to interpret it as “Otto hates all things Mormon” that is your damage.

I’ll let you get back to your regularly-scheduled persecution complex now.

Am I the only person who thinks that there should be an “Oy!” at the end of the thread title for symmetry?

I disagree w/Monty re: Otto’s motivation for his comments. While he may indeed have a problem w/the LDS church, his further comments in the linked thread (and IIRC, he made the same sort of comment when the news story broke) showed that his problem re: Smart has to do w/the media obsession over some child abduction cases.

While I agree in part about the media obsession, I think the Smart case (and Jon-Bennet Ramsey & Danielle from last summer) all were about a child kidnapped/and/or/murdered w/in their home by a stranger (acknowledgement that we don’t know in the Ramsey case), thus the level of attention, vs. the fact they were blonde female children. I do acknowledge that other children do get kidnapped etc and that the media is much more likely to focus on cases where there’s additional hooks (say a connection with a congressman for example) even when there’s no evidence that such a connection has anything to do with the case.

and on the OP, it was indeed an assholic comment to make in the thread, given that the thread was in MPSIMS, and the comment was a seriously large hijacking of the thread (an assholic thing to do).

So, in short, I agree w/Diane but for different reasons, I disagree w/Monty re: motivation, I agree w/Otto re: media obsession, but strongly disagree that his comments were appropriate to that thread.

Have I pissed off enough people for one post?

No, you can do better than that, wring. :stuck_out_tongue:

oops, forgot to mention that erislover hates fluffy bunnies.
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Otto’s “defense” of his asshole comment:

There’s this thing called empathy.

The media coverage of this case–and the lack of it for other cases–doesn’t change the fact that finding a missing child after 9 months is almost unheard of. And because of its rarity, the fact that this case is ending successfully makes it a joyous occasion not just for relatives of the Smarts, but for everyone who cares for other humans simply because we’re human. I have no children, but I deeply love my nieces, nephews and little cousins. I can’t imagine the grief of losing one of them, and the idea of others suffering through such makes me sick. Such grief, and such joy after finding a missing kid, transcends all notions of race or attractiveness or wealth. It’s something tied to the human condition, and one I won’t ignore simply because I don’t directly know the family.

You first comment is in now way excused by your follow-up. In fact, your follow-up isn’t even related to what you first said. If you’re truly appalled that the media doesn’t play up other child abductions, shouldn’t you ask why we don’t seem tocare as much for other missing kids? Shouldn’t you ask why this one struck a special chord? Shouldn’t you have asked WHY the media doesn’t attend to other cases?

The fact is that Elizabeth was found, against all expectations and all odds. The fact is that her parents held press conferences twice a day for months. The fact is other abducted children so get press coverage, but it tends to wane as hope for finding them wanes (since most turn up dead within a couple of days, or are later found to have been killed within days of their abductions). The fact is that Elizabeth was taken during a seeming rash in child abductions-- anything unusual that happens more than twice in a short period of time, and in different areas of the country, is bound to be talked about far more than an isolated incident (which most child abductions are).

In short, there are lots of answers to your second set of questions. Those questions don’t relate to your first, however, and your first still makes me think there’s an essential something missing from you.

Ok, how can I say this diplomatically? Although Otto perhaps chose a poor place to raise the point, he did raise a valid point. Namely: Why do we as a society, as reflected by the media coverage, ignore missing-children stories about certain children and provide 24-hour coverage about others?

Even if the Smarts were not media-savvy, their story would have gotten the same kind of wall-to-wall coverage. Meanwhile, a kidnapped black girl from a poor neighborhood of Bridgeport, CT doesn’t even get local coverage anymore.

OK, her recovery was rare, even extrodinary. There is therefore some justification for it being a national story. The main reason that the recovery is a national story, however, is that the abduction was a national story. Seems self-fulfilling.

But the media* makes national stories out of certain events and not others. They have to select what events are going to make the newscast/front section/home page/whatever. Some events are obvious: stumbling towards war, Columbia, etc. Some events are obviously not: various state budget crises, new supermarket opens, etc. On the whole, however, stories that are broadcast nationally are selected; that is, there is a discretionary process at work.

The biggest factor in this discretionary process is public interest. IOW, media outlets select stories that they believe people want to hear about. When they are right, the story persists for days, or even weeks. The Pennsylvania coal miners, for instance. So a story that persists in the headlines, and has national reach, and is at or near the top of the national agenda, therefore reflects on the nation as a whole.

So what does it say about our society that stories about missing blond girls are national and stories about missing black children are not?

It’s a troubling point to raise, and an especially troubling, perhaps inappropriate, one to raise in a thread devoted to the recovery of one of those children.

But think about it. The argument that any missing child story is national because it preys on a parent’s worst nightmares doesn’t work. Because only some children are evidently worth our collective attention span.

The argument that the Smarts themselves are responsible for the interest in their daughter has some weight, because they did do everything they could to feed the media and retain its attention. Nevertheless, this was a national story before they started talking to the press.

Another argument is that the setting provoked national attention: Two girls safe in their bedroom, unknown intruder, kidnapping at gunpoint in the dark of night. Truly terrifying. Could have been written for a Lifetime movie-of-the-week. Yes, it is all that. But is that enough to justify the difference in coverage? Is that more terrifying than having your daughter forced into a van just outside their elementary school?

It seems that we are left with two differentiating qualities between the nationally-covered abductions (not just Elizabeth, but others) and the locally-covered ones: race and class. Race is the point that Otto raised in his second post of the original thread in question. I can’t recall a case of a rich or middle-class minority child kidnapping, so that data point doesn’t exist.

OK, I’ve said my piece and fully expect to be torn to shreds for it. Which is why I posted it to this thread, instead of starting a GD thread on the subject. Even though I didn’t use the word “Asshat” once.

*Definition of “the media”: national broadcast news outlets like CNN, the nightly news on the broadcast networks, Major newspaper chains, and their associated web outlets.

Just want to jump in here to say that while I stand by the sentiments expressed in both of my posts to the Smart thread I understand that the phrasing of the first one was to put it mildly abrupt. I hope that the second post helped to expand where I was going with my thought and I apologize to those who were bothered by the first.

not that theres anything wrong with that.

Yeah, kidnapped kid returned to parents, 12 miners rescued from near death, plane crash victims found alive- who really gives a fuck anyway? I don’t know any of 'em, so it’s nothing to me! Alive? Dead? Who gives a rats ass!

What a fucking jackass.

I rescind my apology with respect to Zette. What the fuck? Is an apology for hurt feelings not enough for you? Would you like to email me your address so i can send you a pound of my flesh? I could understand if your post and my apology were simulposted, but mine was out there for six hours and tweny minutes before you decided to pop off.

thanks for illustrating that the appropriate response to making a mistake and being called on it is not to admit any wrongdoing. Fucking tool.

I’m blaming the cheap boxed wine I got into or my complete inability to read. I really didn’t see your post, Otto. Sorry about that.

There better not be! :mad:

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