Mo -give up, sounds like it’s that time of the month for these guys…
Wow, I’d love to tlive in that fantasy world. It tends to go more like this in reality:
KC: Jane, I need that HPLC data.
Jane: I’m in pain, please leave me alone.
KC: Uhh, sorry but I need thtat data.
Jane: Leave me the fuck alone.
KC: Easy Jane, just give me the analysis and I can leave.
Jane: Listen you rectal merchant, I haven’t fucking done the goddamn analysis because I’m in pain right now. Fucker.
KC: That sucks Jane, but your job is to do that analysis. If you can’t take one of your sick days and someone else can do it.
Jane: Fuck off, I’m out of sick days. Deal with it.
I mean really, should people have to deal with that shit? No matter what the reason? The world doesn’t stop because you’re in pain and few people can or will pull themselves far enough out to let it pass. They should compensate, not me.
For about twenty years of my life I worked in various settings that included women as a part of the workforce. I have never heard a scenario remotely resembling the one you describe.
Who knows? Maybe **kidchameleon ** is a writer for SNL or Mad TV.
Well, if it never happened to you then I guess it never happened. :rolleyes:
Actually, I can do both. And I did. And I probably will in the future. Stop being silly, or willfully dense, or just to show you I understand the Fallacy of the Excluded Middle, both.
Get back to me when you identify an invalid generalization. To my knowledge, the only generalization I made was that it is NOT OK to attack someone else because of your problems. Ever. I stand by that.
OK. I’ve settled. Willfully dense it is.
Errr, it IS possible to generalize from the specific, without making sweeping generalizations. Is this really new material for you, or do you need to go back and take 101 again? To wit: you have a specific case (oh, say that someone’s wife gets irritable and snappy during her time of PMS.) From other responses in the thread about said wife, it is possible to generalize that the person’s wife is not the only one in the world who does this, and that it might, in fact, be a fairly common occurrence.
This is a fair generalization from specific cases.
This does not mean that he thinks that ALL women are like this, or even most. This is the Big Bad Generalization you don’t want to see, and which I never, ever, ever, EVER made. But just go ahead fling shit out there and see what sticks, hmmm?
No. Not really. Nice try, though. You said, and I quote, “It tends to go more like this in reality.”
I recounted my experiences, in which nothing like what you described happened; i.e., women cursing, hurling insults, and refusing to work (supposedly) because of their PMS. Now, if this were an actual tendency in the real world, I would think that in 20 years I would have seen at least a hint of it, but maybe not. Your assertion that people are prone to such behavior, however, doesn’t pass the sniff test. I would be happy to be corrected if you have anything other than your assertion that women in the workplace are prone to such behavior.
tendency
1 a : direction or approach toward a place, object, effect, or limit b : a proneness to a particular kind of thought or action
2 a : the purposeful trend of something written or said : AIM b : deliberate but indirect advocacy*
So, I’m curious-another pesky trait in the female gender. It’s so much easier when one can lump types together, no?
Whatever does Mrs Ogre say to you in reply to your assertive handling of this matter, Ogre?
Yeah, and you gals can’t fucking drive, either. :rolleyes:
Can you not help debating dishonestly, or do you just enjoy lying?
In the future, I would appreciate it if you responded to what I say, not what you would like to think I said.
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Whatever does Mrs Ogre say to you in reply to your assertive handling of this matter, Ogre?
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Usually, she agrees in principle…and then does it again the next month.
Well, boy howdy, I have let me tell you!!
Like, that time that a former boss screamed at me from a few feet away because he was having a bad day.
Oh, no wait. That wasn’t PMS. Cuz he’s a guy.
Oh, I know! All those times the past several months that I’ve had my head bit off for just trying to do my job.
No, nope. Same thing. Guyville.
Wait! No, it was THAT time I was much younger and that fellow supervisor hollered at me for about 10 minutes and tried to pick a fight with me in front of all our fellow staff one night.
Uh… no… sorry. Scratch that.
Well, anyway, I’m sure that I’m an anomaly. I mean, what do I know, only having been raised with five other females, having lived with a lot more female roommates, having had at least two female bosses, having worked with lots and lots and lots of women (in fact, having worked in an office that was ALL women). I’m sure it’s common and extreme just like some of you say. I must just be hanging out/working/living/existing with the wrong women.
10-4 Good buddy. In addition to working with women for a great deal of my life, I have lived with several women as lovers, more as roommates, most of my friends are women,and I have never seen anthing like these screaming, vicious, vulgar harpies. I guess I must good taste in chicks, man.
Yeah, I was talking about the ‘leave me alone’ bit, not every reaction to PMS. If you notice I used the actual quoted phrase in my paraphrased recounting. Perhaps in your nearly 20 years of working with women they can just asked to be left alone for some reason, but in mine they, like all of us, have to suck it up and do their fucking work (which usually involves dealing with people) or take a hike.
That a fixed-gear bike you’re on? Backpedalling doesn’t do much good with a freewheel.
You claim now that it was just about someone saying “leave me alone,” but just upthread you have a woman cursing, namecalling, and refusing to do her work. Not exactly the same scene at all.
In my 20 years of experience never has a woman asked to be left alone, or lashed out in a vulgar manner, or refused to do her work, because of PMS.
When this happens in your experience, this behavior that is prone to happen when women have PMS, has anyone been told to take a hike? If so, problem solved, no? They need to be fired if they are abusive and refusing to work. I suspect, however, that this has not actually happened as you described, and certainly not on a regular basis.
Men and women can be equal opportunity offenders. I’ve had all kinds of shit taken out on me that I didn’t deserve. These men were likely under stress, or having hormonal issues of their own. If they had told me, “now’s not a good time”, or “come back later”, or “leave me alone” even I would have respected that. Or, if I just could not avoid having to interact with them, I would make it clear in a respectful way that I know it’s a bad time, but could you please sign this?
I actually told the screamer #1 I mentioned in my post that I was there to make his life easier and I looked forward to working with him, but I needed him to not take stuff out on me.
He then worked pretty hard to make life unbearable so I would quit.
The feel I’m getting from you is that you think that some women are trying to claim special privilege. That they cannot or will not just suck it up like you say. And I’m saying that that is not the special province of women. There are people out there who don’t really care how their bad behavior affects you. These people are jerks.
On the other hand, PMS is real. It does cause significant pain for some women. It does cause a 'roid rage-like emotional rollercoaster for some women. Just like stress and depression and hormonal flux causes barely controllable anger in some men. If the people that you are around are warning you off like a injured dog, then you’d best give them room. If you antagonize them, well then you get a pretty predictable response. If they continue to make you suffer and you’ve asked to be treated with more courtesy or at least be given a warning before your head’s clear off your shoulders and they continue, well, then they suck. That one person sucks. Get it?
Look, I’m a moody person. Most times I’ve very easy to deal with. But I have crunchy days. Hell, up until last month I was on a BCP that caused me to be very edgy, and not in a good way. I always let people know I’m having a bad day, please don’t take my general black aura personally. I would never consciously take it out on someone. But I can tell you that when I go the extra mile to be courteous and give fair warning and someone came back with the attitude that I just need to suck it up or take a hike, then I’d be very very inclined to use my intelligence for evil, and not for good. Don’t come upon a fire and throw gasoline on it, my friend.
Ogre -you seem to live up to your name. Or maybe you married a jerk. pssst-I was not dishonest–just being as offensive to you as you have come across here to me.
If you have an issue with your wife, say that. How is it you “get” to be all morally superior and decide what is right for others? That is the source of my irritation with you.
Frankly, if I were your wife, and this was your idea of having a serious discussion re this issue, I’d probably rip you another one. I’m not going to bother explaining why-you don’t want to listen, you want to be told you’re right.
I agree with you, niblethead --if anyone is screaming at work, most likely it is a male, in my experience (although the current female director at work is a bitch demon from hell-not from PMS-or else she has never actually started menstruating).
First of all, if there really is a court case where the perpetrator got off b/c of the PMS defense, please cite. I would love to be able to reference it, but I’m not sure there is one…
Secondly, you’re telling me that if you were in charge, you would make it so I could go to a place where I wouldn’t have to worry about my job, my money issues, my house, my cats, my ill father or the people that scream into the phone at me for 4-5 days every month? And at the time where it becomes extremely difficult to keep my ever-present sadness and anger at bay? Sign me the hell up, baby!
Bring back the red tents!
Have you ever even been around a meneustrating woman before? My crying does not affect you, asshat. And I and many other women on these boards at least have enough self-control to preview and spell check a little before hitting that “submit” button. Even when we’re on our periods.
Ooops, I’m sorry. Was that pissy? Well, I’m on the rag. Really. 
Spare me the snarkiness. You’re not good at it.
Nope. I like 'er.
But you used a blatant lie - that I somehow made sweeping generalizations - to do it. Shit, I guess I am right. The only way you managed to impeach my argument was by lying.
I did.
Like I give a fuck. I very much doubt you’d be taking the attacker’s side in any other issue on the SDMB. So why this one? Taking your shit out on someone else, causing them to be miserable, when they have nothing to do with why you’re irritable, is WRONG. I stand by that. I will always stand by that. Sick, injured, miserable, crappy day, whatever. I do not take my bad mood out on other people. Why? Because they didn’t cause my pain.
I don’t need you to tell me I’m right. I’m right, and that’s quite enough for me.
If I knew any women who experienced anything even remotely approaching roidrage during PMS, I would advise them to get medical assistance immediately. That is not normal.
Verrrry good! Now put your fingers in your ears, squinch your eyes shut and yell “LALALALALALALALALA!” at the top of your lungs til we all give up and go away.
No, sweetie. It’s me who ain’t going away. I’ll be right here in this thread as long as anybody wants to keep the discussion alive.