you discover a perfect duplicate of Earth on the other side of the Sun.....

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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Lets say we’re dealing with Earth in it’s current state, except that space travel is relatively commonplace, one day you get up and decide to go for a flight in the opposite direction from the Earth’s orbit…

and find another Earth on the other side of the Sun (well, technically, it’s on the other side of the Earth orbit, and shielded from view by the Sun), it’s identical to Earth, with one major difference…

no Humans, it’s Earth as it would be now without the presence of Humans, any species driven to extintion by Humans are still alive (i.e. the Dodo), no dinosaurs though…

since you discovered it, it’s your planet, free to do what you want with

how would you introduce Humans to Alter-Earth/Terra/Fintlewoodlewix/Bob/whatever you choose to name it

here’s a couple of quick ideas, i have to get ready to go into work so i can’t elaborate right now, i’ll go more in-depth later

quick bullet points, MacTech’s rules for Terra;

first off; organized religion is BANNED

second; all energy sources will be renewable, solar/hydroelectric/geothermal/wood/electric heat for homes, Hydrogen fuel cell, Methanol, and Biodiesel for vehicles

third; wetlands/barrier islands and other transitional zones are to be left alone, there is to be no draining of wetlands and building on them, and no city will be built below sea level if it’s close to a major body of water and can only be protected by a fragile system of levees…

fourth; no “recreational” use of SUV’s if you want an SUV, you need to use it for the manner it was made, i.e. it will be used as a TRUCK for HAULING CARGO (and no, little Timmy and Buffy do not count as cargo, no matter how stupid they are), “luxury SUV’s” will be banned completely

fifth; vehicle size should be based on actual need, not wants, no single soccer mommy driving a Chevrolet Subdivision/Canyonero, no business exec driving a Hummer in the carpool lane, if you’re a single driver, you should be driving a small car (Civic, Corolla, Neon, Cobalt, Jetta/Golf TDI etc…)

sixth; violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, assault, rape) will be punishable by the Death Penalty, no appeals

seventh; micro$oft software and hardware of any kind is banned, if billy-boy gate$ decides to visit Terra, he will be tarred and feathered and run off the planet on a rail, to mix my metaphors (mmmm…mixed metaphors)

eighth; all hurricane victims will be offered the opportunity to relocate to Terra

more later when i have the time…

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So you want New Earth to be a dictatorship…

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Only one rule: Humans are banned. We’re not gonna fuck up two planets. :smiley:

Adam

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The whole planet is mine? That’s easy, then. There is only one rule:

No trespassing.

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No humans but me, and a few million fem-bots to mine just enough resources to sell to Earth 1 to make me ungodly wealthy.

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You’re talking about the place I call home.* You’re not invited.

*see location.

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aka Gor? Or a different one (there are so many).

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no, just common sense stuff, no mucking up the environment with non-renewable fossil fuels, minimal environmental impact, living with the planet, not just on it (dear Og, i sound like a hippie there, NOOOO!!!)

and if it is a dictatorship then, that opens up a world (no pun intended) of fun, benevolent stuff to do…

if Terra was a dictatorship;

once again, no m$ crap, EVER, PC hardware is okay, it can run *nix, OS/2 Warp or any alternative OS, just no m$ crap

suits (business suits and tuxedos and other crap like that) are banned, i hate 'em, so by extension, nobody else can wear them, Terra will be a casual-only planet

firearms ownership/usage/training is compulsory, everyone should know how to use a firearm, “castle doctrine” applies, any thief breaking into your home can (and should) be shot, theft is a concious decision, if the person breaking in has made a concious decision to steal, if he didn’t try stealing, he wouldn’t have been shot, criminals are ineligible to own firearms

controlled substances will be available to any and all who want them, however the usage/consumption of said substances will be limited to a large isolated island, if you want to use drugs, you’re free to go to the island of “Amsterdam”, otherwise, drug use will not be permitted elswhere on the planet

Douglas Adams’ Birthday will be a planetwide paid holiday, his day of death (Towel Day) will also be remembered, paid holiday

cities/towns will be built bicycle freindly, all automotive roads will have accompaning bicycle roads, 2 lane bike roads that go everywhere the automotive roads go, there will be “greenway” paths for walking/rollerblading/jogging, the bike roads are for bikes only

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But where does Gamera fit into all of this?

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Well, CandidGamera is more than welcome on Terra, as are all dopers, hmm, maybe i should start a new country, “The United Brains Of Doperia” (Unwashed Masses need not apply)

but as far as Gamera and other Giant Mutant Monsters™, they will have an entire island all to themselves, with empty shells of buildings to stomp on

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A world based on hate is not a fun place to live.

You have not said word one about how people will live, and for what reason should they go to Counter-Earth; just the limitations on them.

Also, you’re fixing Earth’s problems. Counter-Earth will have its own set of problems. Your criminal solution is wholesale murder, as anyone can just defend the charges by stating “he was in my house, and I thought he was a criminal.” Where is the heavy industry you need to build the civilization? Can you terraform without disturbing habitats, like the bike trails you insist on having next to every road?

Since you banned any religion, and instituted the “castle doctrine” then what will you do if the people assemble peacefully, but protest one of your laws? Will you murder them too?

Besides all that, how are you going to pay for anything? What resources will you exploit for material gain? Having no economy will cause your world to become isolated tribles and clans, people just taking care of their own just as if they were shipwrecked.

You won’t have to worry about Bill Gates’ software- you won’t have the industrial base necessary to build computers. You have to have money or trade goods, and a way to get them to Earth, to obtain anything.

It would be easier to just make it a wildlife preserve, and aloow people to tour for cash.

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And, since Dopers are smarter (and better looking) than the Unwashed Masses, we each get dibs on ruling an area of the planet, i call the large chain of tropical islands with scantily clad women and killer ski slopes in the mountains (hey, it’s my planet, i can fantasize about it however i want…)

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Hooray!

I assume asterion makes reference to Gamera vs. Barugon. Hopefully the new world won’t have any cannibalistic human-looking aliens on it. For more MST related counter-earth fun, see Stranded in Space.

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That’d be Gamera vs. Guiron.

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I was really thinking Gamera vs. Guiron. I haven’t seen Gamera vs. Barugon.

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In order to populate the new world there will have to be at least 10 women for every man. This will necessitate the regretable abandonment of the so-called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious… service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

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I think I’m with you on this one, however, I’d maybe relax the banning and allow a One Day Visa Per Person Per EarthLifetime. In other words, you get to see for one day what Earth could look like without human intervention.

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First off, what’s with all the m$ bashing?? It makes no sense. Simply make software manufacturers fiscally and legally responsible for lossage due to abberrant product behavior and everything’s fine.

I am Lord Dictator. My word is law. (With one exception, see below.)

Punishment for any major crime is exile to Old Earth. Any appeals process may take place there, but we’re not impressed by technical loopholes and you can’t make us take you back. Pissing me off is a major crime.

The laws will be rewritten from scratch by a team of sensible political scientists. I will, as always, have full veto power and power of pronouncement. The one law that I will be bound by is that any resident may choose exile to Old Earth, at any time, and it will be carried out in reasonable time and without avoidable harm to that person. This includes just after I say, “Kill that man!”

Exiles back to old earth are given as much money/resources/antiradiation suits as it takes for me not to feel guilty sending them there. Everything else will be stolen by the government. Allowances will be made for personal possessions, but not excessively.

There will be regional population caps. These caps will be calculated based on available space and resources. As regions approach these caps, warnings will be posted in a publcly accessible manner. Any family that exceeds a calculated number of children will be deported–but in this case they can ask to be deported to another region of the planet with more room.

Not all regions of the planet will be allocated. And new areas are only allocated at my discretion. Mostly every area with weather I don’t like can be left to nature. Some small effort might be made to relocate species from areas I choose to populate, but if that’s not good enough for some people, nobody’s making them stay here.

We are not interested in non-renewable resources. Excessive damage to the enviroment will be deportable, yaddah yaddah.

The government will be rather socialist–to a point. We provide a moderately comfortable and reasonable lifestyle for free. You want perks, get a job. If you’re noncontributing, feel free to leave. If an area becomes inundated with freeloaders, we’ll help you leave. At random. Until you catch on.

Feel free to get rich, but don’t be a dirty unscrupulous cheat about it, or I’ll steal all your stuff and send you to Old Earth. Remember, as dictator, I don’t need cause.

Notice a theme? Well, if you don’t like it, you don’t have to come here, do you? :smiley:

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Actually, to take this question a bit more seriously than the OP did, it’s a fascinating topic, and one I’ve thought about quite a bit.

Presumably, both extremes are Not Good:
(1) Impose no rules, let human nature take its course, and Earth II looks just like Earth in 200 years
or
(2) We’re so scared of option (1) that we turn the whole thing into one giant national park with occasional tours and scientists
If there’s cheap and unlimited contact between Earth II and Earth I, then money is really no object, as you can make unlimited money via gold mining, diamond mining, rare-and-extinct-animal exporting, and tourism. So you don’t need to have an industrial base capable of building computers, etc., you can just import them from Earth I. If you’re trying to build a self-sustaining civilization, but a less sucky one, that’s tougher, because you will need mining and factories and so forth. To get everything to balance out in the long run, I think an important key is population control. Suppose you had the basic population and economic base of the USA, but spread out over the entire world. That would probably be self-sustainable, as long as the population remained constant.

Some more specific details:
-Primary transportation would be via super-fast maglev trains. Train tracks would be built, on both a micro and a macro scale, to avoid disrupting the environment whenever possible.
-Industrial sites would be grouped together and planned ahead of time with treatment and storage of wastes and byproducts built in from the beginning. If we absolutely have to build one super-enormous hole in the ground into which really nasty toxic byproducts can be dumped, we’d suck it up and do it, but we’d try to get them so far down that they’d never be able to leak into groundwater, etc. Aside from that, whatever gets dumped out of factories into rivers should be VERY clean.
-Logging and hunting would be allowed, but only at sustainable levels
-All consumer goods containers would be compostable whenever possible
-Oh yeah, and some contrived excuse wherein I get to have lots of girlfriends :slight_smile:

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Mein Furher…I can walk!