You Pathetic Little Twat

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This is what you believe. Fine. Go ahead and believe it. No-one here will tell you you’re an idiot. They may have some disagreeing opinions, but few people will try to tell you that you’re downright wrong.

The workers believe the cross there helps them, they believe it helps them be stronger. This is what they believe. Some may have some disagreeing opinions, but few people will try to tell them that they’re downright wrong.

Because it works for them.

Just as no-one has the right to tell you that what you believe is wrong, so do you have no right to tell them that their beliefs are wrong. Different does not mean wrong. Who are they harming by being inspired by that cross to work harder?

You can disagree with them all you like about taking strength from that cross. I do. I have no faith in the two beams of iron there. But they do. Who are you to tell them they can’t? Who are they hurting?

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I’m here and I think he is an idiot.

Fact is, is it IS making the job just a little bit easier for the recovery workers who have taken comfort in this scrap of metal.

  • Still waiting to see which one of these dumbasses are going to go down and volunteer to help with cleanup. Afterall, Sultan has experience with death having had his cat die and everything.
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Having working in a similiar situation, although on a much smaller scale, in OKC after the bombing there, I can say with certainty that the last thing on their minds is getting their names in the goddamned newspapers and they don’t give a flying fuck about making themselves “look good”. They’re doing their job, one that includes digging out many of their own. Some of them are searching for remains of their own sons or fathers. They are not searching for ways to glorify themselves.

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I think this is a great time for me to vent about all that “hero” bullshit I’ve been hearing as of late.

#1) Rudi Giuliani is not a hero. He’s a fucking mayor doing his JOB. When did everyone forget tht he beat his wife for the past eight years then announced his divorice to her to the city of NY before he even bothered to tell her? Sounds like a dirty fucking politician if I’ve ever heard of one.

#2) Are the rescue workers heros? Why, because they have to sort through body parts? Are morticians fucking heros now? Are docors heros? Have they always been but I just didn’t know it?

Give ‘em a fuckin’ cross. Their *heros[/i[ they deserve it.

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You think he’s an idiot because he’s acting like an idiot, not because he dosn’t believe in the cross. That’s what I was referring to. I agree that he’s being an idiot.

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I do believe the Sultan is getting a feeling of power and superiority by riling the good folks of GD. Most people learn sensitivity to the feelings of others once they pass the toddler stage. Sultan, I surmise that you are either a toddler prodigy or an emotionally under-developed person.

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Hey Diane,

I really shouldn’t have to do this but why don’t you pause for a moment and read this. It is an article about my friend Peter who died a couple of years ago when a former employee at his place of business walked in and put a bullet in his neck. He died on the scene. I would have liked to have the courage to touch him at his funeral but he looked so cold and lifeless I just couldn’t muster the strength.

Unfortunately, I have had the experience of the death of a close friend. I can still hear his voice. I can still hear his laugh. I miss my cat too, Diane.

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Not going to answer me Sultan?

Why don’t you take Manny up on his offer to help with the cleanup? Don’t think you can handle it?

Idiot.

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The mayor had a pretty messy separation from Donna Hanover (I’m biased in her favor on account of my huge crush on her, but I don’t think the messiness is in dispute). But he did not beat his wife. Not a single person has even alleged that he did.

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I’ve had several friends go down to the site offering their services only to be turned away. They said thay it was the same situation as with the blood donations; just too many volunteers. Why would the situation be any different for myself?

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by manhattan *
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You are wrong my friend. If you were privy to, get this, Rev. Al Sharpton’s speech last Friday you would have heard him very clearly and delibrately allege that Mayor Giuliani beat his wife for eight years during their marriage.

C’mon. Let’s hear all of those juicy slanderous remarks against the Rev. Al. Sharpton. I can feel them comin’ already. Bring it on.

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Oh my deepest apologies. You not only had to deal with the death of your cat, but your friend too!!! How could I have been so quick to dismiss your experiences to death compared to digging rotten bodies out of rubble!

Just what the HELL was I thinking?!?!?!

JFTR, I have had to help two friends, an uncle, and a grandmother die slow deaths from cancer. I was there at the time of death for all but my uncle.

I helped clean up the “juices” that had sunk into the carpet after a cousin accidentally poisoned himself when he started the car in the garage, went back into the house for his coat (it was in his arms) and died when the garage door fell and the heater in the back of the garage sucked the exhaust into the house, killing him. No one found his body for a week and a half.

Recently a friend lost her 16 year old daughter to a car accident.

And as mentioned before, I had to handle the death of my 7 year old little brother when his head was caved in by the front corner of an automobile.

With the exception of the cousin (who had a closed casket for obvious reasons), I touched, hugged, and kissed the bodies goodbye.

Still, I could not do what these recovery workers are doing. I wouldn’t even want to try. How 'bout you? Are you willing to back up that flapping mouth of yours that you are so found of shooting off?

Dead bodies don’t scare me nor do they gross me out. So sorry you don’t have the stomach for it. Maybe you should shut your fucking gob about those workers who have had no choice but to have a stomach for it.

M’Kay snookums?

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I daresay that Rev. Sharpton is not a credible source of information about the state of the Mayor’s marriage, as he socializes with neither party.

Has anyone said it who was not making it up from whole cloth. Oh, wait. You pretty much don’t care whether things were made up from whole cloth before asserting them as fact. Gotcha.

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Whatever, lady. Just because everything you touch dies doesn’t dismiss the fact that I have had a close friend die an unexpected death. The feelings can’t be much different than those that the family members of those lost at the WTC are now experiencing. Pete was family. Family. Fucking family.

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Oh please, they may turn you away because of the over-abundance of volunteers, but don’t fall back on that crutch. You said yourself that you didn’t have the courage to touch your friend cause he looked all “cold and lifeless”. Don’t make excuses. Obviously, there aren’t too many people who can handle what these workers are going through. If you claim your lack of assistance is anything more than your fear of dead bodies, you are a pathetic liar.

You’re a fucking pussy who doesn’t have the balls to do what these workers are doing. You have all but admitted it in your recent posts. I guaranty that the bodies these people have to touch are a little bit more than “cold and lifeless”. You couldn’t handle it, but you are sure quick to insult those that do.

That makes you a pathetic coward.

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Make that a HISTERICAL, pathetic coward. Whom I might add, is quick to make judgments on those who are dealing with the very stark horror of death that is unfathomable to the rest of us, but who was unable to touch the hand or kiss his friend goodbye.

Hypocrite.

Do yourself a favor - take a breath before you pass out.
On second thought, don’t.

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I didn’t touch Pete because I didn’t have to. It probably wouldn’t have felt like him anyway. So peace out. I have to go to the volunteer meeting for the film festival at my local theatre. Yup, time to play goody-two-shoes.

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I’m gonna try this gently –
Sultan, I read that link. That’s a horrible thing that happened to your friend, and I’m sorry you had to go through it.

And if you’ve kept anything – even a special picture – as a reminder of your friendship with Peter, then maybe there is some hope for you of understanding the meaning of that cross at the WTC site.

See, these workers don’t have the option of not touching the bodies. They have to do it. It’s their job.

And this is much different from losing one friend. Some of the workers may not personally know any of the missing and presumed dead, but many probably do. They have to go into that hellish scene day after day with the possibility that the next mangled piece of metal they move could reveal the mutilated, decaying body of a friend or colleague – or at the VERY least, someone’s brother, sister, mother, father, son, or daughter.

And in the midst of this, some of them find comfort in a piece of metal in the shape of a cross. Despite what some have said, I’d feel pretty sure in saying that very few or none of them actually put their faith in that cross, in what it represents, yes; in the very best parts of the faith it symbolizes, yes.

That cross serves much the same function as a picture of a lost friend or family member. It’s the memory of a laugh. It’s the recollection of the voice of a loved one.

And for reasons that I hope you can understand, it brings them comfort. It’s a symbol of faith. It’s a reminder to them of their belief that even in moments that seem chaotic (and for a Christian believer, the moments around Jesus’ cross certainly were that), that God is still unchanged.

Is it inclusive of all faiths? Well, no, in most ways. Personally, though, as a Christian, I can say that I have been able to derive comfort from the sight of Muslims praying for America in their mosques, and by the sight of Orthodox Jews offering prayers and remembrances, and by the sight of people of varying (or perhaps no) faiths lighting candles and shedding tears. I would think that many religious and irreligious people alike would be moved by the sight of people finding comfort at the foot of a steel-beam cross, coincidental though it may be.

If you can’t understand that, I’m sorry for you. Ridicule their beliefs if you must, but pick your moments. You don’t kick a man when he’s down – and working in that pit, I believe those men and women are down.
[sup]Again, sorry if this is out of character for the pit. I don’t like it here in the Pit anyway … so I’m outta here.[/sup]

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Here’s a clue for you Brainiac - the volunteers don’t HAVE to touch the bodies either, but they do. Can’t say the same for you though, can we.

You’re nothing more than a pathetic, arm chair critic who wouldn’t have the stomach to handle the things experienced by the people you are so quick to slam.

Pussy.

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Thank you for taking it easy on my frail soul. I don’t think I could handle any more after hearing that ridiculous story about them erecting that silly cross at Ground Zero.