Bringing up “the third vote is a scum tell” is a scum tell.
- Waits for someone to post that bringing up that “bringing up ‘the third vote is a scum tell’ is a scum tell” is a scum tell*
HazelNutCoffee, no need for anyone to get upset. I’ve been saying everything, since my opening salvo after reading I was about to be strung out to dry, as tongue in cheek. I wouldn’t want to harm anyone else’s game and I simply thought that I’d been around long enough for folks to know I was joking. Apparently not, so I’ll offer my mea culpas now and await for further instruction.
I simply thought that it was funny, given that I’d actually managed to survive the night, to open the thread and find myself on the chopping block. Nothing but dark humor intended.
Oh, and just so everyone else will be clear… that was why I had (what I thought) was a liberal use of smilies in that post. I’ll try to do better.
Nobody’s going to do that. Because bringing up that bringing up the third vote is a scum tell is a scum tell is a scum tell, is, in itself, a scumtell.
Somebody has to be first. 
Don’t take it to heart. If you get lynched today, it just means you get to play again sooner! We’d love to have you in a game on the off-board site! I’m going to unvote you for now because your explainations seem plausible, and it’s early in the day. I can always vote for you again. 
Unvote Faithfool.
Golden State/LA Lakers is final. 214 total points. 214 is evenly divisible by 14 fifteen times, with a remainder of 4. Add 1, and player 5, MHaye is number 2.
Tomorrow’s Charlotte/Atlanta game will determine #3, and will use the same list with MHaye removed.
1.storyteller0910
2.HazelNutCoffee
3.Freudian Slit
4.brewha
5.ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
6.sachertorte
7.Hawkeyeop
8.ShadowFacts
9. One And Only Wanderers
10. Hal Briston
11. faithfool
12. zuma
13. Kat
I’ll also propose that if anyone reveals info prematurely, we just continue generating the random list with them still in it, until we get the full random list of 15 names, otherwise it’ll get confusing if someone reveals info in the middle of the games.
Until then I guess we can discuss whether or not it’s in our best interest to reveal any more at all, but if we do we need to do it in a random ordered manner.
Oh. Er …
:: goes away to untwist panties ::
I can’t see how more information can possibly be detrimental to the town. There are no power roles for the scum to be plucking off, so the Mystery of the Dossier (and whatever secrets it holds) must be a pro-town mechanism.
I’m now starting to question why Rysto hasn’t come forward with his own dossier. He’s up first, he’s still online, he’s posted since zuma named him as the first person to post…
What’s keeping you, old bean? Blood on your hands?
I haven’t posted because I’m not convinced that revealing our dossiers is good for the Town. You say it must be a pro-town mechanism. I say bollocks. Personally, I am certain that we don’t have all of the information about how the Dossier system works, and that making assumptions about them so early in the game is foolhardy.
I don’t think Rysto or anyone else should be posting any more info at all at the moment… We still have a week. There’s plenty of time to discuss it. If we decide to go forward, I just wanted to have a randomized order to go in. I don’t think just blurting out info at this point is going to be helpful (and I was guilty of it by revealing one of mine). If we’re going to do it, we can’t let scum manipulate the order.
Ultimately I think I’ll be on the side of thinking we should all reveal, but I want to think about it more.
Well, there is one argument against it: waiting would give the scum a better chance to come up with a more convincing lie. But then, if MHaye and I were to post our dossiers tonight that would give scum a chance to study them and might help them lie, too. So maybe that’s a wash.
The whole point of the randomized order is that, ideally, some of the scum will be caught in the early game, although some will have plenty of time and more information to perhaps puzzle out the dossier themselves before they are forced to claim, the ones in the beginning may be caught.
You’re currently on the clock, and I still can only see one reason why someone would want to hide information in a game where there aren’t any pro-town power roles.
You honestly can’t see a valid pro-town reason for not wanting to reveal information whose meaning we don’t fully understand? How can you be so sure that revealing our dossiers won’t help the scum?
Although, if revealing information helped the scum, why would Santo Rugger include his in his death scene? I guess there’s the possibility he was forced to…
I can’t think of any reason. We know that everyone revealing won’t break the game. Five Scum out 19 players (and them even getting a free kill) is slightly in the Scum’s favor, so any net benefit of the Dossiers will help us rather than them (I trust that the mods are good enough to make a balanced game).
I don’t expect revealing the Dossiers will immediately help us (since we know it won’t break the game). But it will lay the groundwork for us to suss out the Scum in the late game. Delaying the revelations only gives them more time to come up with good lies. (That’s the main problem with this reveal process. Better to do it as fast as we can.)
Look at Rugger’s death post. It’s not entirely clear what his Dossier was, is it? And because of that it’s hard to be certain what his killer’s trait is. If we all know everyone’s Dossier (and we shouldn’t lie for this reason), it will be very easy to pick out the killer’s traits. And that is the next important step to actually finding them.
And, finally, forcing everyone to reveal their Dossier quickly will force the Scum to lie. Perfect opportunity for them to make a slip. And even if we don’t see the slip immediately, the record is there for everyone to be looking at the Dossiers to find them. More eyes is better.
Sometimes you have to hold your info close, but this isn’t one of them.
In other games, scum seek information because they’re trying to make their kills most effective. In this game, the scum don’t need information, the only roles are them and town vanillas. They need to limit information, in order to keep them from being outed.
Guess what you’re doing? Limiting info.
I can’t think of a good reason not to reveal them either. Pleo brought up a good point about game balance:
5 scum out of 19 (well 18 really, with the night 0 kill) is a large amount of scum considering the town has no power roles. The only thing we do have is information in the dossiers. If that info helped scum more than town, then the game would be broken.
Also, I think the information should get out there before night 1, when scum have a chance to strategize. Count me in favor of everyone revealing in a non-scum controlled order, starting with Rysto and followed by MHaye.
That’s really the key. If the scum are smart, they’ll have already compiled their dossier information, and taken a good look at what the public reveals were. (Those were set at the time of PMing… leading me to believe that if we can solve the logic puzzle that is the dossier, the public reveals will be a key to determining the scum…)
Now that three players have publicly shown their hand, the scum will have even more information with which to decode their dossier, and determine what they need to conceal collectively. If we don’t force their hand toDay, they’re that much further ahead.
We need some sort of impetus to force Dossier-claims. I can think of only one.
unvote: faithfool
vote: Rysto
I’d like to add, as further jsutification for my above vote, that we really need to get this deal rolling along. While a week seems like a long time, it’s necessary that we get it done, and we will have at least 5 players who will try to drag out dossier reveals as long as possible. At some points, we may have to mark an intransigent player up as likely scum, and skip him in the order of role reveals.
This means exactly nothing to me. What’s it about?
Please try not to assume everyone is American. Thank you.