You-Solve-It Mafia Game

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[QUOTE=Pleonast]
Is zuma posting drunk or via phone? Looks the same to me. :slight_smile:

To everyone unsure about revealing Dossiers: We have three distinct choices here,

  1. We all reveal our Dossiers soon.
  2. We slowly reveal our Dossiers as we get killed.
  3. We don’t reveal our Dossiers, even when we’re killed.

We could use a combination of the above, but that would mostly muddle our efforts.

I think we should go with choice 1; see my reasoning give earlier. Those of you who don’t like choice 1 need to give reasons why you prefer choice 2 or 3. It’s not enough to say our reasons for choice 1 are not convincing. Make a case for your own choice: do we slowly reveal with our deaths, or not even then?
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At this moment, I would vote for #2. My main reason is that I’m still not sure what #1 gets us. No one seems to be able to explain what we will actually do with the dossier information once it is posted. What is the mechanism for finding scum with this information? From my point of view, we’re going to get buried in a pile of facts, none of which we can be certain is true, and which the scum can then manipulate to their advantage. (See my example in a previous post about how the information can be used against town, which no one has refuted). I think there might be an advantage in keeping dossier information secret (for now) so that scum can never be certain what we have and cannot therefore mimic or manipulate our traits against us. Maybe that is the paranoid part of me.

I also agree with storyteller that this dossier stuff is more of a distraction than anything else.

[QUOTE=OAOW]
I personally am behind a full reveal now. This means we will have something to check against when we get death scene reveals. OK scum will probably doctor their dossiers, but this by itself may make them stand out. If for example all individual staements - “I felch goats” or whatever appear a certain number of times, and we have people with statements bucking that trend, then we have a candidiate population for lynching. Anything which betters our odds as opposed to a random lynch (assuming we have no strong leads on a given day) is OK in my book. Lets get the info and start data mining.
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See, and here is what I mean. The plan appears to be: “let’s get all the information out there and analyze it or something and find scum.” HOW?? Let me post a small example: Let’s take the following fictional set of people. One of them is scum and has possibly lied about some or all of his/her traits. Can you figure out who it is?

Player A
I felch goats.
I saw no movies last year.
I once participated in a bull run.
I’ve been married three times.
I see dead people.

Player B
I once participated in a bull run.
I’m allergic to dairy products.
My dog has fleas.
I’ve seen “Pink Floyd The Wall” 479 times.
I’m missing a finger on my left hand.

Player C
My dream girl has two heads.
I hate spaghetti.
I saw Antonin Scalia naked.
Spiders make me wet myself.
I see dead people.

Player D
I hate spaghetti.
I once killed an octopus with a cucumber.
My dog has fleas.
I was honorably discharged from the armed forces.
I’m allergic to gluten.

Player E
I once participated in a bull run.
I have six sons.
My athlete’s foot won’t go away.
I like to bake cakes.
Chili peppers makes me sweat.

Player F is killed and sees his killer running with bulls.
Player G is killed and sees her killer pushing a plate of spaghetti away.

(Note: I am NOT posting this as an actual puzzle to be solved - that would be a total waste of time as I don’t think it CAN be solved. I am posting it to show how I’m thinking about the data we would get. There’s no way to know if any of those data points are true or not, and thus, as far as I can see, no way to glean any useful information out of them at this point).

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
At this moment, I would vote for #2. My main reason is that I’m still not sure what #1 gets us. No one seems to be able to explain what we will actually do with the dossier information once it is posted. What is the mechanism for finding scum with this information? From my point of view, we’re going to get buried in a pile of facts, none of which we can be certain is true, and which the scum can then manipulate to their advantage. (See my example in a previous post about how the information can be used against town, which no one has refuted). I think there might be an advantage in keeping dossier information secret (for now) so that scum can never be certain what we have and cannot therefore mimic or manipulate our traits against us. Maybe that is the paranoid part of me.

I also agree with storyteller that this dossier stuff is more of a distraction than anything else.

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The dossier probably is more of a distraction that what it’s worth. Let me say this, though, just to make a little more clear what I think we can get out of them:

There are certain things I’ve noticed about the dossiers so far which tend to point towards a pattern. Given that pro-town players will tell te truth about their dossiers (they have no reason not to) and scum may lie about certain parts of their dossiers (they don’t want to reveal what might be a unique fact about them that later gets revealed in a death post, thereby implicating themselves), it is possible for an initial revelation of dossiers to perhaps give us some space to start determining scum. Maybe it won’t work, maybe it will.

However, the real key is that we want to be able to use the information provided in the death posts. I don’t think it’s that big a leap to say that the post-death posts are, in theory, a pro-town mechanism (however weak it may be, due to the lack of verifiability of the dossier information). If we don’t have any information about the dossiers, then we’ve lost what could be an advantage.

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[QUOTE=faithfool]
Sorry NAF. I didn’t even think about making that an official question, but was just throwing it out there. Since you’re here though, would you mind answering after all? Thanks so much for being so prompt.

As to Hal’s suggestion, I don’t mind at all. Everyone simply please let me know what I’m to do.
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I haven’t talked to mtgman about this, but I don’t really see him disagreeing with me. Sure, you can vote for yourself.

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I’ve always thought that voting for yourself was a little morbid…

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[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I haven’t talked to mtgman about this, but I don’t really see him disagreeing with me. Sure, you can vote for yourself.
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Thanks again NAF. If it ends up being okay with Mtgman as well, then I do believe I’ll take that option.

[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
I’ve always thought that voting for yourself was a little morbid…
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You’re probably right, but I usually have no problems with lambasting myself over something undoubtedly seen as morbid. :stuck_out_tongue: Besides, I honestly don’t feel like I’m cut out for this game after all and everyone would be better off having the cream of the crop continue to play, rather than me cluttering things up for either faction (and all the strategy planning).

So… VOTE faithfool

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[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
I’ve always thought that voting for yourself was a little morbid…
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It’s kinda fun when you know you’re going to be lynched, I’ve found. especially if it makes the vote unanimous… makes the whole execution thing seem like a town holiday.

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a self vote is nearly always anti town. I am sorry you feel you cannot continue with this game, but I would rather scum hunt than vote you for the reasons you have given. Please reconsider and play the best game you can. The main objective should be to have fun. Don’t worry about what you don’t know, the best way to learn is to participate.

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Part of me thinks faithfool is just discouraged. Another thinks that she’s scum trying to psych us out…like, playing the part of the martyred, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing, newbie townie. Because that is kind of what I did in the last game.

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[QUOTE=Freudian Slit]
Part of me thinks faithfool is just discouraged. Another thinks that she’s scum trying to psych us out…like, playing the part of the martyred, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing, newbie townie. Because that is kind of what I did in the last game.
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For my part, my vote on faithfool (the first) was entirely random. Just something to get the ball rolling - turns out it got rolling fairly far. I always planned to change my vote to someone I actually find scummy before the Day was out. I probably still will, but faithfool’s reaction has been interesting, so I’ll leave it there for now to see what happens.

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I am going to go with choice 1 that everyone reveal their Dossiers. The name of the game is You Solve it Mafia, which to me implies that there is something to solve. Having a couple of players already finds patterns further emphasizes this. Having all the information in front of us makes this task a bit easier even if some of the info is likely false. If we find patterns that fit most of the data, then we may gleam who the scum are from outliers.

As for it being a waste of time, I don’t see it. It provides a topic of conversation regardless of its usefulness. From looking at previous games the scumtells found on the first couple of days were just about always unfounded. I believe the reason for this is that the scum aren’t likely to screw up if there isn’t anything to talk about. Even if no reliable method of finding scum from the dossiers occurs, we can learn significant information from watching how people react to said dossiers.

However option 1 only works if all (or at least most) players are willing to reveal their dossier. Are the players voting option 2 or 3 willing to reveal their dossiers if that is what the consensus decides? Are you willing to partake in a majority vote to decide this?

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
For my part, my vote on faithfool (the first) was entirely random. Just something to get the ball rolling - turns out it got rolling fairly far. I always planned to change my vote to someone I actually find scummy before the Day was out. I probably still will, but faithfool’s reaction has been interesting, so I’ll leave it there for now to see what happens.
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Please, I heartily vote that you keep your vote for me. I’m certainly up for campaigning if necessary. :slight_smile:

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I think it’s about time we had our first official vote count.
3 - Faithfool (shadowfacts, zuma, faithfool)

1 - Diomedes (Storyteller)

1- Rysto (Dio)
5 out of a possible 18 votes cast.

With 18 alive 10 starts the clock 12 ends the Day.
The Day ends…whenever I said it ended on Day 1. Sometime on Friday I think. Check the sig for important official posts. :smiley:

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I’m catching up after an unplanned internet-hiatus over the weekend. I’m starting at post #232. I’ll see you once I’ve caught up (on both this game and Blade Runner)…

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hmm, no sig in that last post. Odd, I know I checked the box.

Ah well, here it is again.

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[QUOTE=Rysto]
I disagree. We randomly ordered the reveals for a reason.
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Yes, we did – we’re hoping that a few scum are forced to reveal early. Since we have someone who is under suspicion – and who, I might add, is volunteering to revel – why would we not take her up on that?

faithfool, I can understand wanting more input into this, but I would very much like to see your dossier.
Man, that didn’t sound nearly as dirty in my head…

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[QUOTE=Hal Briston]
faithfool, I can understand wanting more input into this, but I would very much like to see your dossier.
Man, that didn’t sound nearly as dirty in my head…
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snort

I’m going to have to remember that one for when we have that open bar at the office party.

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[QUOTE=ShadowFacts]
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See, and here is what I mean. The plan appears to be: “let’s get all the information out there and analyze it or something and find scum.” HOW?? Let me post a small example: Let’s take the following fictional set of people. One of them is scum and has possibly lied about some or all of his/her traits. Can you figure out who it is?

snip.
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I think so, yes.

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[QUOTE=Hockey Monkey]
I think so, yes.
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You wanna’ vague that up for me a bit?

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Perhaps one reason faithfool is giving up so easily is because she doesn’t want to reveal the dossier? That is, she assumes that if she just votes for herself, she doesn’t have to make a big reveal because it’ll be moot. She does have a chance of squeaking by if she doesn’t get an exact majority of votes, though.

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[QUOTE=storyteller0910]
You wanna’ vague that up for me a bit?
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I can’t say how without giving the scum the ability to lie effectively, thus negating my (hopefully) ability to pick out the lie. Vague enough? :stuck_out_tongue: Sorry, it’s not a magic bag thing, but if I spell it out, then we lose any advantage I might have to be able to do it.