3 - MHaye (OAOW, zuma, brewha)
2 - zuma (sach, Mhaye)
1 - Diomedes (Storyteller)
1 - faithfool - (Dio)
1 - Hal Briston (Pleonast)
8 out of 18 votes cast.
With 18 alive 10 starts the clock and 12 ends the Day.
There will be no lynch without a majority.
Day ends no later then Friday December 21st at 1:30 pm Pacific (by board time).
1 Day 4 hours and 15 minutes or so left before the deadline.
Go Team!
Look at me, I’m psychic!
Get out of my mind!
The only thing I have so far is MHaye’s delay.
I don’t know if I really want to vote for him based on that but it’s the only thing we have to go on so far, IMHO. And I suppose it’s better to vote than to sit around talking about how we SHOULD vote. (Vote or die!)
And I have time to change this…So…
Vote MHaye
On further review, technically they don’t say there are no power roles. Only no masons, docs, vigilantes, etc. Hal’s ‘power’ is definitely outside the box of any Mafia (the game, not the side) roles I’ve heard of.
First, thanks **Hockey Monkey **for collating all that information in a very understandable format. Hopefully it will come in handy at some point 
Second, I agree that we need to get rolling on voting. The person that has pinged me the most so far is brewha, who seems to be playing a rushed game. First it was his FOS on **zuma **(followed by the bizarre drunk swearing). It was only an FOS, but it was really aggressive:
Today, it’s Mhaye, but he’s gotten two things wrong in that pursuit:
Turns out that is NOT actually **Mhaye’s **public trait. And…
Which he also had to retract, as it was in the Two Truths thread.
All of this reads to me as rushing to judgment, and flailing around for *any *reason to get the ball rolling on someone, which IMO is not pro-town.
vote brewha
Hal’s claimed special knowledge doesn’t seem to fit in the spirit of this game. He could be telling the truth, since his power doesn’t explicitly violate NAF’s statements, but it strikes me more as a scum ploy. He managed to get his Dossier revealed last. And connected himself with a player who’s already drawn heat. It just doesn’t add up as pro-Town to me.
Feel free to disagree. I’m stating where my suspicions lay. Everyone should do the same.
If no one else votes for Hal, I’ll change to someone else. We need to lynch someone.
I think that everyone was given at least one unique characteristic, and **OAOW ** and **brewha’s ** revealed dossiers do not have any unique ones. (**Sachertorte ** does have one - he climbed to the top chamber of Cheops.)
I will put a vote right now on OAOW. Plus he drove a VW bug through the front door of a 7-11, although right now, that is a secondary reason for my vote.
vote One And Only Wanderers
As I have stated before, I do not think we should be mining the dossiers for ‘scum tells.’ Anything we come up with could be coincidence, scum manufactured, or mod-manufactured. We should be relying on behavior analysis which is the core of what makes mafia, mafia.
However, if analyzing the dossiers bring you entertainment and enjoyment or you feel differently about the utility, by all means proceed. I’m just stating right now, before any conclusions are posted, that I’m skeptical from the start.
My thoughts on brewha:
When brewha stated that he found something in the (at the time very few) revealed dossiers, I was suspicious. I didn’t see how someone could find a pattern or something notable with so few dossiers revealed unless he had extra information (scum dossiers). Since then brewha has admitted being on the wrong track. I’m inclined to believe that a pro-Town brewha might have simply jumped the gun in noticing a pattern, but then backtracked when he realized that he made his conclusions with insufficient data. Furthermore, I don’t see a scum brewha bringing up a pattern unless he was fairly certain the pattern would hold up, which it ultimately didn’t. The motivation for scum to stick his neck out just doesn’t seem right (Disclaimer: see Santo Rugger claim in The Conspiracy). Anyway, I was suspicious of brewha, but I think the motivational circumstances point more town than scum.
In retrospect, I wish I hadn’t said anything about how I was skeptical about brewha and Diomedes finding patterns with such little data. I fear that I might have tipped them off to back off their statements. However, the fact that they found a secondary dossier source supports their change in attitude as being genuine rather than manufactured.
One needling thing about brewha, is that (according to HM’s spreadsheet) Hockey Monkey revealed her dossier before zuma and had an item that was not in the “two truths and a lie” thread. Why throw suspicion at zuma and nothing at HM at the time?
End of Day stuff:
I’m more concerned about the start and end of Tomorrow. If we go according to schedule and scum take the full 48 hours, Day Two begins Sunday Night (23 Dec) and ends Sunday Night (30 Dec). I will not be available to play until Thursday Morning, which leaves (me) little time for discussion and a yucky weekend end-of-Day. So perhaps instead of asking for extensions for Today, perhaps we should ask for extensions for Tomorrow (though I question my availability on new year’s eve and new year’s day as well). Is everyone else (or a significant subset) going to be out of contact like me?
On Preview:
I surmised the existence of a secret power role from the 7% statement by NAF. 14 Townies: 1/14 ~ 0.07. So unless someone else is the secret power townie, I’m believing Hal Briston.
Christmas Eve/Day shouldn’t be a problem for me…I’m not observing it. But New Years Eve and Day will probably find me out of commission. We should probably find some way to work around those dates if a lot of people are going to be busy.
I’m leaving Sat morning (21st) and getting back on tues night (25th) - but I should be able to check in periodically. I get a 5 day weekend (fri-tues) the following weekend, but I’m not going anywhere. I should be able to keep up.
Eek. I’m away for a day and much has happened. Just checking in to let you guys know I’m still here. My guests [del]I’ve buried in the backyard[/del] have finally left so I’ll be around regularly starting this evening.
I’ll be “working” next week after Christmas and since most everyone else will be away, it’s likely to be much free time for me during the work day. Unless something happens, in which case I’ll be the only one around to do it. So, I’m either totally here or completely gone next week.
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I’ve been railing against Dossiers all week, and this is precisely why.
Why is it a requirement that everyone be given at least one unique characteristic? I don’t think we should assume this.
Similarly, why would a scum OAOW tell us that he had driven a VW bug through the front door of a 7-11 when he already knew that Santo Rugger’s killer had the same characteristic? A Townie wouldn’t lie, but scum easily could. If OAOW were scum, he could have poached a characteristic from the many public dossiers already posted. (My personal opinion is that Santo Rugger’s killer lied about his/her dossier and did not state the VW bug characteristic).
From my interpretation of your accusation point #1, implies that OAOW lied about his dossier, thus changing his real dossier which contained at least one unique item into the one he posted, which has no unique items. Simulaneously, you point out that OAOW’s attribute is consistent with the killer, which implies that you think OAOW is the killer and did not lie about his dossier.
While I suppose it is possible that a scum OAOW was truthful about part of his dossier and lied about other parts; I don’t think a scum OAOW would choose to lie in the way you describe.
I’m very much against drawing conclusions in such a dossier-centric manner. It is too easy for scum to point out random dossier anomalies and indicate that the anomaly equates to scumhood.
Since I’m still so very unsure about what I’m doing, I think I’ll agree with Pleonast that Hal’s version of things doesn’t pass muster with me either. (Sorry Hal, I adore you, sheep and all, but dear Og this whole freakin’ thing has me confused and I’ve only got this one glimmer of understanding. I think…) For if I also go with it from the most basic of the rules set forth, this is, according to our esteemed moderators, as completely vanilla a game as one can get. That said, I don’t think Hal’s claim can be legit as I feel the 7% cannot violate what, in my humble opinion, has already been spelled out by the rules.
Yes, that was awful, but hopefully you all will get what I mean.
Anyway, I do appreciate you coming to my aid Hal because no matter what, that was really a non-scummy thing to do. [Translation: I am not saying that I am either town or scum, but that I’m glad for Hal making me feel like not such a pariah, for whatever reason he did so. Further, the latter statement is purely meant as funny (playing off this whole scum business that we’re here for), like ha ha. Not as in that I know he’s scum. Hopefully that’ll clear things up to at least muddy.] So, without anymore ado…
vote Hal
Oh, and I’ll be working out the rest of my summary of Zuma and post it soon.
Just to clarify – I didn’t “manage” to get my dossier revealed last – my name just happened to come up last via the randomization process. Any problem with that should be taken up with the NBA (and if you do, please throw in a “Fire Isiah” chant too, would you please?).
It was faithfool’s position as second-to-last on that list that forced me to call her out and ask that she reveal early. I didn’t want to her have additional data points to cover her tracks in case she were scum.
Actually, when we came down to only a handful of unrevealed dossiers remaining, I figured that the scum already had enough revealed dossiers from which to pluck covering data, and so there was no reason for me not to reveal. Then I realized that any scum who hadn’t yet posted might take that to mean I had already revealed all I knew (which was true, but I didn’t want to give them reason to believe it), so I decided to keep with the suggested order and go last.
I still don’t like faithfool. Her initial statement, despite mtgman’s ditch for her, still seems off for me. Secondary confirmation stinks to high heaven (who needs to take time to respond to a PM? Signing up for an offboard site, on the other hand…). And her whole “vote for me… I don’t wanna play, 'cuz I might hurt my side… oh, wait, I’ll play with you guys” deal also raises my ire. But it looks like she’s getting a pss on thatfrom everyone…
So… I’ll join on board with the “What’s with MHaye?” deal… gotta lynch someone, and he smells ripest amongst the major contenders.
unvote: faithscum
vote:Mhaye
Doh! I had simply skimmed over the random-order stuff, since it didn’t affect me. That does remove some of my suspicion of you. I still don’t like your claimed special knowledge, though.
unvote faithscum?
lol is that some kind of freudian slip?
