Immediate thoughts upon reading day 5 vote histories, with the caveat that I still think one or both of Brewha/HNC are scum.
Rysto: Based on no thorough analysis, he’s just been off my radar screen for a while. I hate to bring up the “delay the dossier reveal” thing again, considering what happened to Mhaye, but there you go. Not much to go on.
Second vote on Diomedes bothers me, and his reasoning “What the hell, let’s try to get this bandwagon rolling.” leaves a lot to be desired. Would scum actually be so bold with “let’s get this bandwagon rolling”? I kind of doubt it… But I could be wrong.
Hockey Monkey: I have her on my “off the table as scum” list, for now. However, I want HM to explain her vote switch from brewha to hazel. They each had 3 votes at the time, and HM put hazel in the lead 4-2. I highly doubt I’ll be voting HM today, as I find her one of the most townie at the moment. But I would like HM to provide reasoning for her vote switch beyond just “sigh”.
sachertorte: Puts the fifth vote on Diomedes, and explains it without really saying anything. Just a lot of hemming and hawing. sach, you said you’d do a re-read to make sure you were making the right choice, then never posted again. I remain worried about sach.
brewha: brewha looks scummiest to me based on day 5 votes. HNC looks scummiest based on vote history. I think, at this time, one (or two) of the two got saved from the Diomedes debacle. Brewha, with 21 minutes left, put the hammer on Diomedes and that has to count for something.
I switched votes because it was looking like no one else was going to vote **brewha ** with me. It was a heavy sigh that conveyed my reluctance to switch because dammit, I’ve put in a lot of effort. Although, I do find **brewha ** and **HNC ** about equally scummy.
I think **Rysto’s ** “let’s get this bandwagon started” vote is just about the scummiest scum thing I’ve ever seen a scummy scum do.
So today, I will be equally joyful to toss brewha, HNC, or Rysto.
I go back and forth between HNC and brewha. I’d love to throw sach off a cliff, but unless anyone can dissuade me from the notion that either HNC or brewha, or both, were saved by diomedes, My vote will be for one of the two.
What bugs me about brewha now is that he was the third MHaye voter. Would scum really constitute 3 out of the first first 4 MHaye voters?
I know I’m town, and I know 14 of 18 votes day one went against MHaye and myself. I should go back and look at day 1.
Vote Brewha
I don’t see a way that we can properly discuss who to lynch while people are constantly voting for me based on the logic that I’ve nearly been lynched every day. Hawkeye claimed to have over 17 reasons to vote for me, but has stated 1 several days ago and none since.
I’ve heard no other legitimate case against me. I fear that the scum are somehow manipulating the town into wasting the entire week on me and then getting a bandwagon going on someone else. I’ve even been playing into their hands by defending myself, but at the start of everyday, it comes right back on me.
We still have a lynch to waste (I believe). I’m sick of wasting the entire week defending myself and ending up the day with a rash lynch.
I beleive that Pleo, Hockey and Hawkeye are scum. I believe that no one will listen to me while I’m alive because no one seems to trust me.
So, the way I see it, the town has a better chance to win with me out of the picture. And, I still win if the town wins. So I’m walking toward the cliff. I think it only takes one or two more votes to nudge me over.
brewha, try making a case for those you think are scum. Vote for who you think is most suspicious. Give us some alternatives, something to go on if you’re lynched or killed. Self-flagellation doesn’t help us, if you’re Town.
That’s where I disagree. You should remember back when you didn’t like my “lynch me or trust me” campaign.
Sadly, that’s what it’s boiled down to - and the ‘trust me’ part seems to be right out. If I had been lynched the first time the ball started rolling toward me, the rest of the town would have been able (for better or worse) to focus on someone other than me.
But, here I am, back in the spot light. And the town’s gonna sit here and either say nothing or point the finger at me all day. Then, if history shows us anything, the votes are gonna swing in another direction at the last minute.
As far as making a case - I have. No one has really cared what I have to say. I’m guessing that no one cares to hear what the scum thinks.
Right now, I trust Hawkeyeop least. Followed by Hockey then you, Pleonast. The reasons have been stated but to sum up:
Hawkeye for putting scummy words in my mouth which as far as I can tell got most of the suspicion on me.
You and Hockey are suspicious to me for not voting Frued and for trying to get the vote back on me when the ball started rolling toward Frued.
If we lynch someone else today, we’ll still spend tomorrow discussing my fate and not looking toward other suspicious characters. Sadly I’m in the position that there’s no way in hell that the scum will night kill me since I’ve done such a good job of drawing suspicion away from them during the day.
So a big ppbbbbttthhh! ::tongue out thumb on nose:: to the scum since I am invincible to them!
Just a quick note in case I’m insta lynched overnight. My biggest evidence against scum was back at my first almost lynching - the one that resulted in a no lynch. Hockey Monkey pointed out that I must be scum or scum would’ve come in and hammered a lynch. I countered with the idea that the only way I wasn’t lynched was that all the scum had already voted for me. I still believe that.
If I get lynched today, look at the people that voted me that day. The scum are there.
Oh and just a quick side note before I hit the sack for the night. Self-flagellation, implies that I am repenting for something I did wrong. That’s not what I’m doing at all. Think of me more as dying for the greater good.
This theory is silly to me. Why would all the scum be that determined to kill Brewha? If Brewha isn’t scum, it is still bad reasoning. A no lynch is perfectly pro scum.
Brewha why do you put so much stake in people voting for you as being scummy, but none in people who vote for known town members? You voted for Dio with admittably no rationalle. In your book, wouldn’t this be a highly scummy thing to do.
I’m rereading the thread to make a case against Brewha and something jumped out at me. I might have a bunch of these posts today.
Rysto was a vocal supporter of not revealing dossiers. Now we know there were scum on the other side of the issue, but I think it makes sense that the scum have one of their members argue strongly in favor of not revealing dossiers. There were others that were unsure what to do, but Rysto was the most vocal early proponent of not revealing. Rysto could have argued in favor of not revealing to gauge the town on how much support keeping the dossiers hidden would receive. Since the answer was not much, other scum joined in on the other side of the issue. Remember, now that Hal has been confirmed, we know that dossier revealing was purely protown, and that the scum knew that. I would also note that Rysto delayed revealing his dossier awhile.
A no lynch is at best scum nuetral. It was said before that in a previous game, one guy was the scum hammer three times in a row and got away with it. Why let a townie go unlynched when it is perfectly within scum means to get two dead townies in one cycle?
I’m thinking that I’m messing with the great plan of the scum and Hawkeye and Pleo are trying to convince me to get back to the scheduled bumblefuck last minute voting that has been working pretty well for them.
On preview: You’re trying to make a case against me? I thought you already had 17 reasons to vote me? What happened to those?
So you think you being lynched would be helpful to the town to rid them of the distraction, but you being alive is bad for the scum? You are contradicting yourself. The unlynched townie will still be a prime suspect the following day, which could the result in the scum getting 3 kills in 2 cycles without losing a single member.
I am not contradicting myself, you are putting words in my mouth again. My being alive is very good for scum. The town has spent the last 3 or so days focusing on me and not on scum.
Scum wants me alive. All they need to do is kill enough town to match them in number. They don’t need to kill all town, and the townies that have been deemed suspicious are the ones that the scum will keep around to distract the town from themselves.
This is not a bluff or a ploy. I’m not trying to convince anyone of my innocence by playing martyr. I am trying to get offed so the town have some hope of a chance to win.
But, judging by the recent participation, I don’t think the town has a chance in hell.
You are arguing that the scum want you alive. You are also anyone who voted for you is scummy and the only reason you weren’t lynched was that the scum all already voted for you. That is very much a contradiction.
Oh, I see. That’s a timeline issue. I what’s up on the suspicious list until the first almost lynch/no lynch where I was one vote short. Up until then I was just any old townie. After that, I got put into the spotlight as the evil noose evader.
After that no lynch, the scum were better off to pick someone other than me, so the town could keep their focus on me. Then I’d argue my way out of death everyday, and the vote would swing wildly at the last second which is very much in the favor of scum.
Only by pure skill of Storyteller were we able to get the vote swung in the right direction once.
Also, I did the math. Assuming that there are 3 scum remaining, we get one more free lynch screw up. Anything after that ensures that we lose. I’m not so sure I want to waste the last one on me.
Unvote Brewha
If I still get lynch, NBD. Just know that we only get one more screw up.
Vote Hawkeyeop
Based on falsifiying my statements and based on voting history that I’ve already covered.
What are you even talking about? I’ve been laying out my arguments and voting, and then asking everyone else to do the same. Are you holding a grudge because I’ve voted for you? That’s a great way to let the Scum win.
I switch my vote to you on Day 3 because I saw you as suspicious and was willing to lynch you over having no lynch. I then voted for you on Day 4 because the Freud vote was a huge last-minute bandwagon. We got lucky on that, and I was wrong.
After that, I rebooted my scumdar–you know taking into account new information and letting go of past grudges. Exactly what we need to do to win. I tried pushing the conversation away from you, but you took exception to that and complained about it. You keep playing the martyr and have only made weak cases against others. And your vote for Dio smells far more of “bumblefuck last minute voting” than any of mine.
I’m not sure if you’re a frustrated Townie who’s given up on winning the game, or a Scum has kept themself in the spotlight (probably with the help of a buddy who conveniently keeps bringing you up). You certainly haven’t contributed much to the Town cause.
On preview: thank you for contributing. I think your wrong about Hawk (based on my own analysis), but at least your trying.