unvote brewha I don’t want any accidental hammers, and I’m still contemplating my **Rysto ** vote.
And it would be nice if some other players here would ask some questions of others. Ask me anything. Ask someone else anything. The silence is deafening.
brewha: You’ve made a case against hawkeye and others based just on their accusations against you. While that’s all well and good if you are town, I’d like to hear some of your suspicions and cases made against people based not on their attacks on you, but on their actions and voting history. Or maybe just a gut feel reaction. Leaving aside all attacks on you, who do you find most scummy?
Hawkeye: I’d like to hear three reasons we’re to believe you are not scum. With links if necessary.
This is a rather arbitrary question aimed at an arbitrary player, but I think we need to start asking questions and see how people defend them.
I of course welcome all questions aimed at me.
sachertorte: You’ve agreed with my theory that HNC and brewha are probably not both town. What led you to vote for brewha over HNC?
I haven’t completed a re-read yet(I’ve been going over toDay to try to get a feeling for players I might want to take a closer look at), but I figure I might as well give some partial answers to zuma while I’m here,
What I meant was she might have been trying to help establish that a fellow scum was Town. I have in fact seen this kind of thing before: in Mafia 2, you may recall that the Town was doing trust/mistrust lists on Day 1. One scum put another scum(I think it was Kat) on her trust list for basically no reason at all – Kat had hardly posted at that point. Now, this isn’t the kind of thing that an experienced player would try, but I knew that Freudian was only playing her second game.
In retrospect, I put too much stock in Freudian being a newer player. She may well have been trying for the opposite of what I assumed: trying to drag a Townie down with her if she was ever revealed as scum.
By “voting aggressively”, I meant pushing hard for some bandwagons that I really didn’t like. faithfool’s was the biggest one – I never bought the theory that she was scum who had slipped up in Night Zero. So to me, it looked like somebody trying to railroad a new player, and he kept going back to the well.
I would not consider asking me about my motivations and thoughts being aggressive. Just the opposite, in fact. You’ve gone back and looked at what I posted near the end of Day 5, instead of cherry-picking quotes from me to smudge me.
My reasons were in the post you just quoted. I posted my suspicions of Dio because I was hoping that other people might be amenable to the idea. When Hazel voted for him, I decided to see if there was support for the idea.
Hence the second part of that post, where I said that I was waiting to see the Town move towards a majority, and was willing to be the hammer if necessary. Dio was one of the few players I had real suspicions of, so I went with it.
Dunno. Ask me again after my re-read.
Hawkeyeop. He’s smudging me because starting the bandwagon against Dio makes me an easy target, but note that he refuses to actually get a vote on the record. He was right behind me on the Dio bandwagon, too, and notice that in his vote he immediately tried to distance himself from it:
The only other thing he’s brought up against me is that on Day 1, I was opposed to dossier reveals. Wow, a notoriously skittish and conservative Mafia player is against a mass-reveal? Now there’s a revelation.
I’m also not liking that I’m seeing more of the same from Hockey Monkey. Lots of talk, no votes on the record.
NETA: Oh, and to head off any accusation of not practicing what I preach:
Vote Hawkeyeop
What game are you reading? I started the day with a vote on the record! Do I need to make or change my vote every time I am considering my options? The statement you gave above seems intentionally misleading. I don’t see how you can say I’ve had no votes on the record. I just unvoted brewha not more than an hour or so ago.
So, I’ll replace that one now.
vote Rysto
To let everyone know: I’m short on time today, and probably won’t be able to get on much this weekend. Looks like I’m going to a Superbowl party on Sunday at the end the Day. I hope we can decide on what to do before then.
I’ve given my detailed voting analysis. The results were
- Hazel has been voting in a very pro-Scum manner. Doesn’t mean she is scum, but I tend to put more weight on actions than words. And she has a clear pattern of voting in a way consistent with scum. That’s where my vote is and will likely stay.
- zuma and Hawkeye have been voting in a pro-Town manner. No guarantees, but I think they’re more likely to be Town than Scum. I’m definitely not voting for them toDay. Too risky, when we have only one mislynch remaining.
- Everyone else has no clear voting pattern. I’ll give my gut reaction to each:
brewha: The no-lynch on Day 3 is suspicious, but his reactions to that and the result of the Freud lynch have mostly convinced me that he’s a Townie that flaked out with frustration and paranoia. Or a scum with excellent acting skill.
faith: My initial assessment was Hal and faith were a scum pair, but that’s obviously wrong. Given that Hal did in fact confirm faith’s Dossier as truthful, I’m inclined to think faith is probably Town, since giving one of us the Dossier of a Scum would be rather imbalancing. However, I’m still not convinced there isn’t some other component of the Secret that we don’t know yet. faith could be Scum, balanced by some other Secret we haven’t found yet. Unlikely, but I want to keep my mind open.
Hockey and sach: Have both been playing good games, putting out good arguments and engaging in the game. Mixed voting records. Truthfully, I don’t have a good read on either of them. Could be Town playing with imperfect knowledge, or Scum playing pro-Town.
Rysto: Rather lurky. Again, I don’t have a good read, which is not good for me. I have to lump in with Hockey and sach simply because I know there’s three scum left, probably two in this group if Hazel is scum.
My list of suspicion:
Most likely scum: Hazel
Likely scum: Hockey, sach, Rysto
Unlikely scum: brewha, faith
Least likely scum: zuma, Hawkeye
[sarcasm on]
Hey, who would of thunk it, a person I state suspicion of now thinks I’m scummy.
Ah. I got it. We shouldn’t vote for people who do scummy things, because they are an easy target. Take some initiative, vote for people who don’t do appear scummy at all. [sarcasm off] I explained the reasoning of my vote, take it for what you will. As for not voting for you, notice I have someone higher on my to lynch list. Sorry, you are only number 2, but on the bright side my desire to lynch is growing.
Hey, you can do sarcasm too. Nice. How bout this? [Sarcasm back on] I don’t know how I missed that quality about you in the vast number of games we have played together.
Yeah, I mean we took forever to get votes on the table today. I remember Zuma complaining that we need to get votes on the record or he would burst.
Pleo, I agree with your assessments and it is my hope we look at voting records.
I will, however, disagree with you on one minor point
[QUOTE=Pleonast]
Hockey and sach: Have both been playing good games, putting out good arguments and engaging in the game. Mixed voting records. Truthfully, I don’t have a good read on either of them. Could be Town playing with imperfect knowledge, or Scum playing pro-Town[ /QUOTE]
I read Hockey as town and sach as scum. No vote either way for either of them.
I wish to see HNC lynched, and if not, sach.
Everything old is new again, and I screw up my tags.
Hawkeye, please answer my question. Give us three reasons why we should believe you are town.
Excuse me for not being clear. I was FOS’ing you for smudging me but not voting me.
Care to explain this one, Hawkeyeop? You’re smudging me for doing exactly as you have done. This clinches it for me. You’re scum, and you’re looking for any excuse to string me up you can find.
NETA: In that quote, Hawkeyeop is expressing misgivings about dossier reveals. That’s not clear from the snippit I quoted, but it is clear in the post I linked to.
Zuma, I don’t know how to answer it. I think my record speaks for itself. I’m not going to go through it and say I think this vote or reason is particularly townlike. Unless people will have specific reasons against me that require explanation or rebuttal, I’d rather focus my time on figuring out the roles of everyone else and convincing others to agree with me. No one has voted for me for any reason other then that they didn’t like my reasoning for voting for them. (Except Storyteller’s vote that he quickly retracted and Hal’s who’s I probably deserved)
So regardless of you are using vote history, dossier info, or post history, there is no evidence against me.
I was unsure of what to do. I later decided that I favored revealing. You were a vocal opponent early on and delayed your reveal. There is a difference.
Yeah, I delayed revealing until it was clear that there was a consensus from the Town that it was the right thing to do. That’s all that I was waiting for back then.
And before you ask, no, I wasn’t waiting for people to reveal before me. All that I wanted to see is that the Town was in favour of a reveal, and that it wasn’t just a loud minority.
This may be misguided, but…
I am going back to day 5 votes. HNC and brewha were in the lead and Diomedes got lynched.
The Diomedes lynch saved someone. If it didn’t, we’re fucked either way.
I don’t think it saved brewha as much as I think it saved HNC. HNC is clearly the scummiest based on voting records. If you want me to list them I will.
If you think brewha is scummier than HNC you must accept that 3 out of 4 scum were the first votes on Mhaye day 1. I don’t buy that at all.
I’d be ok with a sach lynch, but I think HNC is clearly the way to go today. These randome throw-around votes make me suspicious. I think we need to right now think about the diomedes lynch and look at HNC and brewha. And I think brewha is town.
Zuma,
Do you oppose a Rysto lynch?