You-Solve-It Mafia Game

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1681

I’m not going to focus on my theory about the dossiers for now. sachertorte revealing first isn’t fatal to the theory and I still think that I’m right, but it is reasonable that Freudian could have stolen the model trait. I have some other things against sach, and if he turns out to be scum then I will come back to this and take a long, hard look at Hawkeyeop.

My re-read still hasn’t yielded all that much. At this point that’s making me suspicious as hell. This is what – Day 8? – and I still don’t have a read on sachertorte? Does anyone? I don’t like that at all. In 8 Days sach should have participated enough to give us some kind of read on him. That fact that I just don’t have a clue suggests to me that he’s been intentionally under the radar for the entire game. The only case of any significance that he’s ever set out was his case against brewha – and not only has he turned out to be wrong on brewha, one thing in that case stands out to me:

The problem is, that’s not what brewha said:

Now, I think that we can all agree that there is a huge difference between “I found some of HM’s traits in the other thread, but none of zuma’s” and “I found HM’s traits in the other thread.” This mischaracterization of brewha’s words, especially given that brewha has indeed turned out to be Town, looks very bad on sachertorte. sach looks an awful lot like scum trying to force a brewha lynch through.

The other thing that jumped out to me was this post by storytellter. The punchline:

Given the information we’ve acquired since, we must conclude that the scum have in fact lied on their dossiers. However, that does not change the core of storyteller’s argument for me: after going on and on about scum will lie and that we can’t trust the private data, sachertorte goes off and makes an argument that trusts the private data. This inconsistency bugs the hell out of me.

1682

I forgot to discuss my vote today. Unless somebody posts a really compelling case(and the likelihood of even seeing a case seems to be approaching zero), my vote will be for sachertorte. Given that we have no margin for error, I am not going to place that vote now, but I will before the deadline.

Pleonast, faithfool, here’s to hoping that I’m going to hear from you both toDay.

1683

While I hate to interrupt Rysto, he seems to have a good conversation with himself going on, I do think it is interesting to look at Brewha’s dossier. Brewha’s death was an odd one, and not just because I was about 165% convinced he was scum. He was a person who had suspicion upon him, and most recently, voted to lynch a town member. My guess is that Brewha did not share as many dossiers with the scum as the remaining town members do. So, as another point in my defense, I shared 2 traits with Brewha, one of which you know I’m not lying about. Rysto, Pleo, and Faith all share a trait with Brewha, while Sach does not.

1684

That’s a stretch. Trying to figure out why certain players have been killed can be a fruitless exercise. Nobody voted for brewha yesterDay. Perhaps the scum felt that he was the townie who was least likely to garner votes. Perhaps he was correct in his suspicions and the scum wanted to eliminate somebody likely to vote for scum(he called out sachertorte and Hawkeyeop yesterDay, and was vocal about looking at lynching me if HM came up town).

1685

bump

Oh, and faith. Once again, I understand if you can’t get to a computer. Real life happens and this is just a game, so I don’t want you to feel like this is me putting any sort of pressure on you. This is just a warning since I think it will get passed on to you via your laptop sharing friend.

We really will need you to post and vote before the Day ends or you will be mod killed. Time is running out.

I will be back in an hour or so with a vote count and an official time stamp etc.

1686

Checking in in a spare moment. I’ll try to post something substantial this afternoon.

When does the Day end, exactly?

1687

It looks like it should be tomorrow at 12:30 PM Eastern, 3:30PM Pacific.

1688

Am I wrong in thinking that if Faith doesn’t show up today and Naf doesn’t kill her that town members should vote to lynch Faith? I don’t think she is scum, but, in that scenario, unless one scum decides to vote for the other, we lose. So lynching Faith, at that point, might be the only option we have.

1689

Uh, that should be 9:30 Pacific, shouldn’t it? :smack:

1690

I was going to comment that you world seems to spin in a different direction then mine. :wink:

Ah well, Rysto is right. Tomorrow at 9:20 am pacific time (why not be precise?) the Day will end. There is now less then 22 hours left in the Day.

There are 2 votes out:

1 - Rysto (Sach)
1 - Sach (Hawk)

If no one recieves 3 votes, the Day will end without a lynch and the game will end with a scum win.

Go Team!

1691

It’s a good thing that I keep catching my own mistakes; otherwise you’d all be sure that I’m scum trying to fool you all. :smack:

1692

In order to win, all three townies must vote for the same scum. If faithfool is town, as I believe she is, we need her to show up to have any chance of winning. Otherwise we won’t be able to get more than two votes on scum.

I know I should be defending myself more vigorously, but in order to win I need to:

  1. Be correct about Rysto and Pleonast being the last two remaining scum.
  2. Convince hawkeyeop to switch his vote to Rysto (or both switch to Pleonast)
  3. Get faithfool to show up and vote with us.

The fact that the best I can expect from faithfool is a drive-by vote (if at all) doesn’t make me think my chances of rescuing this game are all that great. Plus, I have no idea how to convince hawkeyeop that I’m Town. The big thing seems to be that zuma was suspicious of me, which I would argue is a good reason for scum to kill zuma so that they can use that as a reason to vote for me.

1693

What? Nobody has made that argument toDay. I think that Hawkeyeop might have mentioned this yesterDay, but IIRC neither Pleonast or I have mentioned zuma at all.

1694

I’m stuck this afternoon in a fire drill getting a proposal out the door (don’t you hate customers who call and say “I’m going on vacation tomorrow, can you get the full quote and proposal to me by the end of the day?”).

But I’ve skimmed the last two Days. I’ve been trying to put a Scum label on each of you and see where it fits bit. This is not the part of Mafia that I excel at. I apologize in advance if I’ve got this wrong.

I think faith and Rysto are the last two Scum.

faith’s game has been all over the place. There’s a lot of meta-game info about him: an early scum tell of asking about a different board. Secret knowledge about his Dossier shows he told the truth (but maybe some of the scum told the truth). The fact we’re still playing despite the fact that a mod-killed Townie faith will end the game. While real life gets in the way, absence definitely favors scum.

Rysto has been playing a good game. But I find his voting to be subtly anti-Town. Basically what a “perfect” Scum player should do.

I’ll place my vote tomorrow morning for one of them. I obviously need the support of Hawkeye and sach.

Hawkeye, I don’t think sach is scum. I don’t have any real defense for my feeling, except my gut instinct of Rysto and faith being more scummy. But your vote for him is not helping us.

sach, I’m not sure why you think I’m scum. Please reconsider your assessment of faith. The meta-game argument that since Hal knew his Dossier, faith must be Town is a weak one to base the results of the game on.

1695

So either Pleonast is town or both sach and Pleo are scum: if Pleo were scum and sach town, he could easily vote for sach and win the game.

And if both were scum and I were Pleonast, I’d strongly consider voting for sach toDay anyway and then win it toMorrow when I vote to kill off Hawkeyeop.

So I still don’t think that Pleonast is scum.
Pleo, I’ve basically been the only one participating at all toDay. We’ve seen a couple of dubious meta-gaming arguments from sach and Hawk regarding Hawk’s alignment and that’s it. I’ve been the only one re-reading and posting theories and presenting a case. If I were scum it would suit me just fine to see discussion completely die toDay: apathy definitely benefits the scum. The last 3 Days I have done my best to present lengthy cases based on my best analysis.

If you believe that faith and I are scum you must believe that faithfool is last Night’s killer. Therefore I must be the killer before that, and successfully lied on my dossier about three of my five private traits. My private traits are:

I believe farts are really funny. People only pretend to not think they are.

This is Freudian’s public trait. I can think of arguments for or against stealing a public trait from fellow scum, so I won’t make an argument here.

I believe that cruelty makes foie gras all the more tasty.

Santos Rugger introduced this trait, but didn’t give the exact wording. I introduced the exact wording, and it matched the wording from Hal’s dossier exactly. However, it is possible that I knew about the source of the dossiers, looked through the entire 13-page Controversial Opinions thread and managed to find the exact trait.

I was in a biker movie.

I introduced this trait, and it was subsequently confirmed as a real trait on Kat’s dossier.

I believe that the world would be a much better place if about 25% of the population were taken out back and shot.

This is unique to me. I might have made it up completely.

I started a forest fire by playing with matches.

I introduced this and it was confirmed as a real trait when it appeared on brewha’s dossier.
So, if you believe that I’m scum, you must believe that I stole 3 real traits, including one whose wording had never been seen in this thread before, and got lucky enough that none of my real traits were ever revealed. There is a 3/6 * 2/5 * 1/4 = 5% chance of that happening.

1696

I have to admit you’re playing the most pro-Town today, Rysto. And, I’m close to switching my scum list to sach instead of you. What’s holding me back is the niggling doubt that you’re doing to intentionally be pro-Town. Your insistence of my Towniness doesn’t help, either.

But I’m willing to be persuaded. I’d like to hear more from sach and especially Hawkeye.

I guess at this point, I’m most willing to vote for faith, but I’m not sure if we can get agreement on that.

Just to clear where I stand:
Most willing to vote for: faith
Can be persuaded to vote for: Rysto, sach
Unlikely to vote for: Hawkeye

I will busy tomorrow morning and probably won’t have time for an extended discussion. I’ll definitely put in a vote, though.

1697

Here’s why I believe that you are Town:
-Your dossier looks real. You revealed one trait subsequently turned up on a confirmed townie’s dossier. You also revealed first.

-From Day Six on you and zuma have worked so hard to encourage discussion among us Townies. That’s why I trusted zuma and that’s why I began to trust you on Day Six.

-I have not completed it but I have been working on a case against Hawkeyeop. If I believe that sach is scum and I believe that Hawk is scum then by elimination I must believe that you are town.

1698

If Faith doesn’t show up I’ll vote for her, since I believe it is our only chance. But I don’t believe she is scum, which is why I have trouble believing that both you and Sach are town. My main reasoning for thinking Faith is town are Hal having her dossier and the last two dossier reveals not seeming to match any trait of her’s. I’ll be on tomorrow with more thoughts

1699

Ha, the board is up again. Two hours until the end of the Day?

I want to get a vote in:
Vote faithfool

I can be convinced to switch to Rysto or sach.

1700

Now that the scum’s plot to down the message board has failed, back to work. I don’t think you being scum is as unlikely as you say. You could easily of taken traits from a fellow scum and then revealed them first. Furthermore, both the remaining scum have had only 1 trait revealed, so you only would needed to be lucky once, not three times.