Not one comment yet in support of the Common Agricultural Policy, which consumes around 70% of the EU budget - strange how other posters have chosen not to respond to the concerns I have raised.
Maybe they have no argument and agree with me that CAP is both racist, and a cartel.
Its also a very good reason to leave the EU
There’s very little to say in defense of the CAP. It was worse in the nineties, maybe? I got nothing.
I just don’t see the relevance.
It’s not like an independent UK is going to stop having measures of their own to protect and distributre their internal agriculture and go and open their agricultural market to the world. Well, at least you better not, if you don’t want to kill the whole farming sector of your country.
So, instead of these measures being applied from a European level, you are going to draft similar ones of your own. Which, hey, good for you, maybe they will be less arcane and less based on shady deals between barely qualified politicians in Brussels, but still, not that much of a change for emerging countries.
It’s actually only about half that…70% was at its peak. It’s a bad idea, implemented poorly, I’d agree with that. I’m certainly not going to argue the EU is perfect and the CAP is the rough we take with the smooth.
But it obviously isn’t racist, and it’s only a cartel in as far as any tariffs or subsidies are.
Great tactic there, whenever someone raises a substantive and valid reason to be pro Brexit, the obvious thing to do is to deny its significance, and relegate it to a matter not worthy of consideration.
There is even the very clever turnaround on my point where you subtly hint that we now have even more to fear from a change in Agricultural subsidies.
I must congratulate you on not actually realising, that this is just one reason, which has cost UK taxpayers a fantastic amount of money, with no prospect of reform, that unnecessarily raises food prices to the consumer.
We can go through each and every substantive point, and you could continue the game by trivialising every one, and also counter with a little bit of fear factor.
This is the REMAIN campaign, it is vey patronising, insulting as it does the collective experience and intelligence of the majority of the voting population.
The patronising adverts showing BREXIT voters as being typically old, and out of touch, with naïve young people being courted as being ‘modern’ and with much more at stake.
The reality is, the electorate are all things to all people, intelligent, stupid, misled and well informed, of all ages and all persuasions, way to go REMAIN, to actually insult the largest voting demographic in order to show young folk how mean they are.
All the while REMAIN failed to understand, although we are older, we have lived through many crises, we understand how much politicians lie, we understand hyperbole, on top of which, we have worked all these years, and we still have a vested interest in ensuring our children, grandchildren, great grand children and even our own parents who all deserve better than the inward looking EU closed shop, they deserve the world, not one corner of it.
If you say so.
I was clearly not that clever, since I’m pretty sure that I explicitly stated the opposite. I’m sure the new system of subsidies in the UK will be better than the CAP because, well, hard to imagine worse.
Just saying that this whole utopic idea of a worlwide open agricultural market in the UK won’t happen no matter what you voted.
And I don’t think this will disappear, with or without CAP. The UK is not Australia.
I must reiterate that I haven’t used any fear factor. On the contrary, I have no idea what the European market will be like in 10, 20 years. Could be the greatest choice you guys ever made. Or not. Anyone claiming to know with any degree of certainty is lying.
Not me. I support your right to leave. And nobody really knows what will happen in the long run, so there’s was never a right or a wrong choice.
The EU could make a point (albeit a long-winded one) of kicking the UK out if it refused to cede to any demands made by the UK after the invocation of Article 50 and simply let the 2-year negotiation period run its course, after which the UK would depart the EU whether a formal agreement exists or not.
The current issue, of course, is that Merkel et al have very clearly stated words to the effect of “no deliberation without invocation”, whilst Gove, Johnson et al wish to negotiate without invoking Article 50, because they know doing so would be career suicide. The Leave campaign simply cannot deliver on its promises in the event of an invocation of Article 50 without either conceding privileges that its constituency does not wish to lose, or making concessions that its constituency would find onerous. It is, in essence, for Gove, Johnson et al, a no-win situation.
I hope you all took my advice. There was a nice profit there.
Heh. How much have you lost?
Isamu, 24th June 2016: “Time to buy some GB pounds.”
24 Jun 2016 GBP/USD close 1.3684
Isamu, 5th October 2016 “I hope you all took my advice. There was a nice profit there.”
5 October 2016 GBP/USD close 1.27395
Let me guess…volume?