What 1945 Germany had that the United States currently lacks is a military invasion, abject defeat, and occupation by an external power (or coalition of powers) that had the power and the will to force denazification down the Germans’ throats.
What current power, or coalition of powers, could play that role for the Unites States today? What occupation force could defeat the United States and force detrumpification down our throats? Will they be benign? Will they give us a new Marshall Plan? Will we welcome our new overlords?
Even the Organians didn’t take sides when they butt into the fight over Sherman’s planet.
How does all this compare with ubiquitous media references to the “mostly peaceful” George Floyd riots? (And have there been any comparable threads about that?)
Who has called riots (which are, by definition, not peaceful) mostly peaceful? I’ve heard about protests that were mostly peaceful (which, in my understanding, is a factual description of the protests following George Floyd’s murder), but I’ve never heard anyone call riots “mostly peaceful”.
Nothing that happened inside the Capitol Building was in any way peaceful, and nothing like a tourist visit. Maybe the stuff happening outside, away from the gallows, had some peaceful elements, but not inside the building, so I don’t see how you can possibly compare the two.
I feel like you’re not well-informed enough on what happened that day to have a useful conversation, but maybe you should take this chance to review the video of the shots fired, the legislators literally running for their lives, the mobs attacking the cops, and so on.
I don’t think that you and I will be able to have a productive conversation on this.
We’re not discussing whether there was violence. We’re discussing whether that’s all there was, which is your claim. Looking at videos of the most violent parts has little bearing on that particular question. The OP of this thread noted that there is also video where “the people that entered the capital are just walking between the ropes and stanchions”.
Of course, the Capitol was closed to tourists at that time, so any “walking between the ropes” was illegal trespass. Peaceful tourists don’t typically trespass.
Moreover, one of the supposed “rioters” actually scratched his butt one time while standing in the Capitol rotunda – are we supposed to believe that scratching one’s butt is “violent” and “rioting”?
“Oh, darn, Maude. It looks like the Capitol is closed today.”
“Oh, well. Let’s see if we can catch tour at the U.S. Mint.”
versus
“Oh, darn, Maude. It looks like the Capitol is closed today.”
“No problem. These nice young men in MAGA hats have broken out this window and kindly taken care of the Capitol Police. We can get in that way.”
There appears to have been enough violence and destruction that it is not credible that anyone in the capitol at the time was unaware that the capitol had been breached forcefully and that there was resistance to their presence. So while an individual protestors may not have engaged in violence they certainly seemed to be willing to be associated with those that were. If they did not wish to be associated with this they would have stayed outside (as many of the protestors did).
And no this isn’t the same as saying that everyone at a BLM protest that turned into a riot was guilty by association. You can’t use the violence of some protestors to color the whole movement. However if at such a protest someone threw a trashcan through the window of a Best Buy, anyone who followed them in should be prosecuted.
I’m sure many of the insurrectionists behaved perfectly normally at times during January 6th — I doubt they rioted at hotel breakfast bar, for example. Some people may have behaved in an orderly manner during the demonstrations, until they didn’t.
So what? The 9/11 hijackers looked and behaved like normal airline passengers, until they didn’t. It doesn’t make their actions any less horrific.