Yep. By then the person she worked for was gone, the Casanova was gone, and her coworkers all suspected no one bothered to write up the last day incident into her file. Prior to that she’d been a perfectly fine employee. Being an Executive Secretary, there is no way everyone hadn’t heard the story, but I have a feeling everyone who had heard and could peice together who, what, where and when was willing to overlook it - given that her blow up - while spectaular - was not the only apparent impropriety. And other people just didn’t place the incident with the rehire.
By the way, she never did make up with those of us who worked in her old department who she told off that last day. Came into her new job quietly and didn’t take time to look up “old friends.”
Seems to me that Hentor is making the most reasonable, articulate, and informed posts of all concerning the *psychologie *de Joan. Where’s the asshatery?
I’m not convinced that Joan was mentally ill – I honestly think she was just a bitch. Our society has gotten way too bleeding-heart in absolving everyone of all responsibility for their own actions. From what I gather from Maureen’s description, Joan is a narcissist: she feels that the world revolves around her, that she is perfectly right in all instances and everyone else is crazy. On top of that, she was just plain mean, as evidenced by her almost destroying two coworker’s marriages. Society has no responsibility to people like this. It is not the company’s burden to keep her hired just because she might miss the rent or starve without her job. It is Joan’s burden to act in a professional manner so that she may keep her job and pay the rent.
People, pay Evil Captor no mind. You’re giving him what he desires most: attention. His arguments are downright ludicrous and I honestly don’t think he believes most of what he’s saying.
Maureen, you did a fantastic job in firing PHB (is anyone else also thinking “Pointy-Haired Boss”? :D), and don’t let anyone tell you differently.
Eh, don’t worry. You can rest easy knowing that she really had to go. No one can handle everything perfectly, and I might have done it your way if I had been in your shoes* myself. My posts weren’t to castigate you, but more to suggest to other managers that the 'firing" can really be that easy “We no longer need your services. Here’s your final check, the keys please, and security will help you pack. Thank you.” The last time I fired someone that was almost word for word what I said, and it was amazing how easy it was for everyone.
*although I don’t think I look good in high heels, personally.
Dangerosa: IANAL- but that Director was dangerously close to a Sexual Harrassment charge. Dudes- never, ever- fool around with anyone who you manage in any way shape or form.
He didn’t manage her, or to the best of my knowledge, anyone else who actually worked for him. But he did do a lot of fishing in the company pool, which - in my mind - is borderline inappropriate and can still cause legal problems, particularly at that level (“he said he’d move me into his department and promote me if we had sex.”) Dudes - still be careful even if she doesn’t work for you, because breakups can be really nasty at work and a woman has never lied for revenge.
But that was small potatoes sexual harrasment at that company, where the head of security would follow the CEO around at after office functions, retrieving the hotel room key from the secretaries he gave it to.
Actually, Evil Captor does have some points, especially about the “misfit toys” part. It’s just that Joan is just plain awful, a disgusting bitch and a meddlesome sack of shit. No one, under any circumstances, should feel any pity for her. Especially since she almost wrecked two marriages. No way.
I can’t imagine anyone tolerating someone like Joan for very long.
While I totally disagree with Evil Captor’s take on Joan’s firing, I have to say that some of you are just over the top with the bondage comments. The man has a bondage fetish. Get the fuck over it. It has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, or with the subject of this thread. Bringing it up over and over and over and over and over again is: a) really annoying, and b) totally irrelevant. Disagree with EC’s opinion on the whole thing, fine. Nobody, I least of all, is saying you have to agree with him. I don’t. I think Joan was the very model of a psychotic hosebeast and just kept piling incident upon incident until firing was the only thing they could do that didn’t drive everyone else’s morale into the ground. But disagree with his opinion and leave his fantasies out of it! Jeebus Christmas, it really starts to get annoying when the self-righteous come crawling out of the woodwork…especially so when it’s people I otherwise respect or at the very least find usually reasonable.
Just one marriage. John wasn’t married. Joan unloaded on him, gave Lisle the cold shoulder then unloaded on her, and called her husband. The whole underlying reason being, she had the world’s biggest crush on John and was supremely jealous over an imagined tryst. As it turns out, there’s no way anything would’ve happened even had Lisle been interested, as John is gay. Not that anyone at the office knew that.
Heh! Been there. Poor woman had a big ol’ crush on me. I mean, even when I showed up at office functions with my then partner she’d be all over me. Funny thing was, it apparently did not occur to her that we were a couple. Not that we were huggin’ and kissin’ all over each other (me and partner) but geez, ya know, me always showing up with the same guy and all, should have given her some hint. Our boss finally told her that it was obvious I was not interested and very uncomfortable with her come ons and to knock it off. Have I mentioned to y’all how much I like my boss?
In the condescension, the lack of acknowledgment of the long history of this person, the suggestion that not all of us may actually exist. :dubious: That’s “reasonable”? “Informed”? No, the guy just needs to get over himself.
