You guys are kidding… 1000 bucks a night? Are any Dopers hiring male strippers, who happen to be at about 240 pounds, and unattractively (to most people) hairy and pale? (My arms are tan.)
It would worry me tremendously, and I think I’d work at discouraging her, though not to the point of damaging our relationship… I’ve known a number of strippers over the years, some as lovers, and some as friends. With only one exception, they all had very serious personal issues revolving around ego and self-worth. Most had been sexually assualted at some point or another, and many had drug/alcohol abuse issues. Even if my daughter didn’t suffer from those ills herself, she’d be surrounded by people who do have those problems. That’s not a place I want my child to be.
I have two daughters and I would rather pay them $1000 a night from my own pocket then let them work as a stripper. I have no problem with anyone else working as a stripper though. One of my ex-neighbors was and still is a stripper. Nice girl, good mother, great body. She made pretty good money at it too.
In my mispent youth, I worked at a couple of Burlesque houses as the bouncer. IMHO- exotic dancing is an honourable profession. Modern Stripping(pole dances, etc) is a little less so, and lap dancers are quite a bit less. If I had a daughter and she wanted to be an exotic dancer (say as a belly dancer, or in Vegas)- I’d support her choice. As a stripper, I’d have a long talk with her about dangers, and how it isn’t bad as a job, but it’s terrible as a career. I’d try and talk her out of lapdances.
I wouldn’t be thrilled, but I’d respect her choice if it came down to it.
Provided that
a) she enjoyed it
b) she was not abused
then I respect her choice. Frankly I find a lot of more mainstream jobs far more distasteful.0
Not my baby girl. If that ever happened then I’d feel as if I’ve failed her as a parent.
I’ve been to strip clubs exactly 3 times in my life. I can’t be in there and not think that these girls stipping on stage have a mother and father… and what the hell happened… and when did it all go wrong? It’s just about the least sexy experience I’ve ever had, 3 times.
Fer Chrissake people! It’s my baby girl!!!
I’m still dealing with the fact that a boy in school has a crush on her.
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Most girls don’t make a $1000 a night stripping. The girls that work at the high-end club do on weekend nights. But for every high-end strip club there is about a hundred seedy clubs where in girls usually make about $200 to $300 on a week end night. (This being because the bars pack them so full of girls that the girl to customer ratio is so high; the girls can’t find any guys to give lap dances to. Plus the seed strip clubs is where all the broke mother f’ers like me go. )
Not that any of this makes any difference. At least not to me anyway.
You’re right, I guess I haven’t been to the strip clubs you have.
You make it sound like the guys got off on degrading the girls. “in front of 3 guys trying to make her crawl around for singles.” That was never the atmosphere at any of the strip clubs I’ve gone to. I admit I’ve only been to 5 of them, but I have been friends with three women who were strippers. … well friends with two, and an acquaintence with one.
Only one of them did any drugs (occasional pot, nothing more serious) and she was still stripping when I lost track of her years ago. The second got tired of the late hours (and I think grew up a little) and went on to get an office job. The third was sort of a co-worker (same company but different location) who used to strip. She had saved her money, use it to put herself through school (while working part time at my company to pay the rent) and was moving onward with her career (radio, or something I think. She had a voice as hot as her body.) with no student loans to worry about going forward.
To address Trunk’s position on it and those of everyone else who has commented on how likely it is for strippers to not care about their future, get into drugs, become (or act as) prostitues, etc.:
(IMO) It’s not stripping that causes any of that. It’s the attitude of people who think stripping is degrading that makes it that way. If you raise your daughter to have respect for herself, believe in her own self worth, and care about herself and her future, then nothing the ‘scum’ associate with her profession will affect her. It’s only those who think they are worthless to start with that will be affected by it and they will become as worthless as they think.
One of my friends used to say that she would ignore the ‘leeches’ (her term) who leered at her, or clearly thought they were better than her just because they were the one dropping dollar bills on the stage to get a close look at her titties or ass as she bent down to scoop them up. … Sure she wouldn’t ignore them either. She was smart enough to want good tips…
She would (in her mind) dance for the one who sat quietly in his chair, spellbound, entranced by her naked form moving before him. Often ugly or fat, or someone who girls would never want to date (on appearance) but sometimes just obviously shy or a loner. He worshiped her with his eyes and that made her special. Beauty, and art, is in the eye of the beholder.
… and before someone asks, no she didn’t use those very words. It was the one time I hung out with her when she was stoned and willing to talk about her work (I han’t ever been to a strip club at that point). It took some stumbling conversation for me to figure out what she meant. She may not have been good at putting her thoughts to words, but once we figured it out, she was sure that’s what she meant.
And in case you may think it. No, I wasn’t stoned. She was. Can’t say I never was stoned. I tried it once, decided it wasn’t worth it and never did it again.
Nah, gotta disagree. Unless your some sort of mental super hero; you will eventualy fall pray to the cynicism that surrounds you.
Now that just sounds too much like a late night Cinemax movie.
Granted, I’ll give you there certainly are well rounded strippers out there, somewhere, but I’d venture to guess that it’s something like 1 out of maybe 50 are that way and can wind up providing for themselves in the future when there looks fade. (That’s just a personal guesstimate. I used to date a couple of strippers back in my early twenties; that’s where I draw MY personal experience from.)
The fact that you knew three just amazes me. I knew alot more than three and well, they were all wacked in the melon except for one, I knew, who used her money to invest in realestate.
If y’all don’t mind, I think it would be interesting to know if people who respond to this thread have daughters. Thanks.
If you raise your daughter to have respect for herself, believe in her own self worth, and care about herself and her future, then she wouldn’t be stripping.
Yo.
Three hundred on a weekend night still beats the snot out of minimum wage flippin’ burgers or doing retail.
Not necessarily so… Most likely so, but I have known one woman who had her head screwed on straight, and was simply doing it because it paid her well.
But the odds aren’t good.
I have a daughter.
I have also have some familiarity with the world of strippers through two separate and very different view-points: my work and my wife.
I worked for the planning department for the City of Richmond for a while, and in that position I was able to get to know quite a few strip club operators (and strippers). The owners had to come through my office to get permits to do building renovations or construction and final certificates of occupancy. All of these happened at a time when the local zoning ordinance was sort of gray about how to handle the use. As a result, I had to learn about the uses (and what are called “secondary impacts” like impacts to property values for adjacent properties, crime rates, security measures, etc. etc. etc.). In short, I got to know the business side pretty well and in doing so got to meet both owners and dancers. Many of the dancers were young women who seemed to have very good heads on their lovely shoulders and were putting themselves through school (one stunning woman was attending Johns Hopkins and also working the circuit of clubs in MD, DE, and VA) or who realized the money to be made and were working it for all it was worth. There were a few who looked like they may be living fast and dying young, but those were the exceptions rather than ther rule.
My wife is a psychotherapist and has several clients who are strippers. She tells me that almost all of the women she works with have suffered from some sort of either sexual or spousal abuse and almost all have substance abuse problems. These women tend to gravitate to the stripper profession because it gives them the opportunity to be in the position of power and control. They tend to have a low opinion of their customers and think of them as losers and suckers. Unfortunately, these women are drawn to a profession that doesn’t have much in the way of benefits or support for employees (no EAP for strippers).
Long and short: Strong women, with good business sense and enough self awareness to recognize the job for what it is and who can work the job to their adavantage succeed pretty much like everyone else. Women who may have unresolved issues related to self-esteem and addictive personalities tend to get eaten up by the atmosphere.
I’d urge my daughter to make a careful decision, think about what she wants to get out of it and why she’s doing it, and then I’d trust her to make the right choice. If I’ve done my job as her parent, she’ll make the right one for her and that’s all I can hope for - after all, she will be an adult.
Well, the strippers I’ve known that made that kind of money were doing things other than just take their clothes off.
Trunk has been to the same clubs I have.
I have a 14 y.o. daughter. I know her very well, and she would never take a job like stripping (although I have seen guys my age lear at her in a way that suggests she could).
I also would like to add, in my defense, that I hope her father and myself give her more options in life between: strippin’ or flippin’ burgers.
That said, I have a running gag with the gals that I want to make use of an historic building in our downtown. During the day, when strip clubs are slower, it could be used as a scrapbooking place for moms.
And night, the mom’s who need to pay for their scrapbooking addiction ( or whatever their legal addiction is) can come to the club at night and strip.
Most mom’s I know have lost all sense of nudie issues after a couple of kids and just don’t give a hoot.
The name of my club would be ** The Hubba Chubba**.
thank you, you’ve been a great audience.
Got the daughter. Getting the shotgun.