Your past vehicles- FAVORITE? LEAST?

GM singlehandedly destroyed any possibility of diesel engines being accepted in the U.S. for the last three decades!!! The thing that has always frustrated me is WHY those engines were so prone to failure (head-gasket failure was the #1 problem and often happened before 10k miles)! It was so typical of the old GM…

The vast majority of GM passenger car diesels were based on the Oldsmobile 350 (5.7L) V8. Many people erroneously claim that the Diesel 350 was just a hastily converted version of the gasoline 350, hence the problems. But that’s actually far from the truth!

The GM 350 Diesel V8 may have shared some dimensions with the Olds 350 Gas V8, but the Diesel 350 was not based on any existing GM engine, gasoline or otherwise. It was engineered from the ground up to be an oil-burner!

Diesel engines must be able to handle MUCH greater compression rates and stresses than any gas engine. Gasoline engines achieve combustion by squirting a specific mixture of fuel and air into the compression chamber where it is ignited by a spark (which is why gas engines need spark plugs). Diesel engines achieve combustion by compressing the fuel/air mixture in the compression chamber until the pressure generates enough heat to ignite the fuel. Diesel engines don’t have spark plugs.

The reason diesel engines have traditionally been very durable and long-lived is because they’re built to deal with much higher pressure required for them to operate. The engine block is usually thicker and made from stronger materials than gas engines. They also tend to have more head bolts and a stronger head design/construction. Diesels also make most of their power at much lower engine speeds (max torque at 1800rpm and max horsepower at 3600rpm for the 350 Diesel). They rev slower and ‘redline’ at much lower engine speeds than gas engines also. A Gas 350 V8 might redline at 5500rpm while the 350 Diesel had a 4000rpm redline.

The bore and stroke as well as many other dimensions were shared with the Olds 350 V8, but that was done so the same tooling could be used to manufacture both the Gas and Diesel 350. GM rushed the Diesel into production in an effort to be the domestic “leader” offering an economical diesel on most of its mid- and full-sized cars.

There were TWO major problems that weren’t addressed or went unnoticed prior to production that caused the VAST majority of these engines to have major problems and many eventually suffered ‘catastrophic’ or total failure.

While the Diesel 350’s engine block and head was beefed up to handle the much higher compression ratio, they used the same head bolts and studs that were used on the Gas 350! There should have been a greater number of head bolts used and the studs and bolts should have been made from heavier, beefier materials. The inevitable result was that the head would separate from the block slightly under pressure and blow the head gasket! The dealer would remove the head and machine it to make it fit snugly once again, then install a new head gasket and RE-USE the same head bolts which were made even weaker from the failure and caused the new head gasket to blow even faster than the first one!

The other fatal flaw has to do with the nature and quality of diesel fuel at the time. Diesel fuel absorbs water much from the atmosphere much easier than gasoline. Diesel engines require a precise fuel/air mixture for proper combustion and the fuel delivery system is very complex. Many parts of this complex system are made of steel or other metals which corrode easily. Water in the fuel creates rust throughout the fuel delivery system and caused multiple problems. Water in the combustion chamber could also cause rust in the cylinders, which could lead to any number of problems including bent/broken connecting rods (which is roughly equivalent to tossing a grenade inside the engine)! All diesel engines need a water separator (often integrated or adjacent to the fuel filter) to remove any water from the fuel before it wreaks havoc on the engine! It’s an essential part of diesel technology both then and now….but somehow GM overlooked or forgot to include this low-cost device!?!?

In addition to the atrocious reliability problems, the performance of the 350 Diesel V8 was considered inadequate by most drivers. A 1981 Cadillac Seville with the 350 Diesel V8 took an agonizing 21.0 seconds to accelerate from 0-60mph! To put that in perspective, a 1981 Chevy Citation with a 2.5L 4-cylinder and 3-speed automatic could do 0-60 in 14.2 seconds, which was almost 7 seconds faster than the Cadillac but still considered just adequate!

The 350 Diesel was rushed to market for the 1978 model year and they kept the god-awful thing in production thru 1985! A 4.3L V6 Diesel was added to some mid-size models starting in 1982, with versions for both FWD and RWD platforms. It only made 85hp (20hp less than the 350) but it was relatively trouble-free and performed as well or better than the much large V8! I knew a man who worked at the GM Plant here in Atlanta in the early 80s and he ordered his wife an ’85 Cutlass Ciera Brougham 4-door with the 4.3L V6 Diesel. It performed trouble-free for more than 200k miles!

Worst was a Ford Taurus station wagon, at the end only the dog and I would get into it, even my kids refused.
Favorite was my 1973 Porsche 914, even though it tried to kill me several times. :slight_smile:

What’s not to like about a car that big getting almost 30 mpg?

Unfortunately, the heads cracked and I couldn’t afford new ones. Then we put an Olds 403 out of a Firebird into it and it was still a nice car.

My brother had a 1986 Chevrolet Blazer with the 6.2 liter diesel that went over 250,000 miles.

Never had one, but always wanted one…it was Lt. Philip Columbo’s car!

MG Midget. Fucking hated HATED that grisly piece of shit. When it ran well ( a rare event, but it happened a couple times), it was an underpowered crud-bucket and I was always stressing out about what was going to fall off next or suffer an outright catastrophic failure at 55 mph (top speed). Driving it home one night one of the cylinders up and failed. Now that I have a better understanding of engines I can’t figure out what happened–maybe a valve head popped off or maybe I blew a hole in a piston. Trust me, you know when you’ve lost a cylinder on a 4-banger. But with the rough ride, leaking ragtop, and plume of smoke I tried to limp it home in a November-in-Seattle downpour…then the same thing happened on another cylinder and after a couple hundred more pitiful revolutions, it crapped out on the side of the road. I got out and beat the snot out of the car and walked home. Never went back for it, just left it there. I hope it was eaten by coyotes.

Favorite car is the 1976 Toyota Celica GT. This is significant because I have thrown myself completely into the MkI Toyota MR2 of the late 80s, and I dearly love what that little pocket car can do for me. But If someone offered to trade me a Celica in decent shape I’d pause only long enough to take the breath to say, “Hell yeah!” I don’t know why. It’s not a performer by any means, but I do love the body lines, and the interior was really friendly as well.

Favorite:
I was 17, it was my first car, a 69 Camaro Rally Sport. My GF was also 17, gorgeous, and had a 1967 Camaro. It was 1975, and the world was our oyster. No other car comes close for me.

Least Favorites (a tie):

  1. My one and only convertible. A Chrysler K-car. 'Nuff said.
  2. Volkswagen Rabbit. I’ve never seen such a shittily designed car. It literally did not have enough power to run itself and an air-conditioner (a necessity in the South). I spent more time under it than in it. It overheated and melted so many radiators, that I eventually had to modify (via torch and weld) the front so it could accommodate a “real” (read: American, metal) radiator. This additional capacity finally stopped the freeway meltdowns, but it still wasn’t able to handle normal usage*. Finally sold it and said good riddance.

*capable of 80mph, 100 degrees, all day long while keeping me cool and comfy. European cars in the 70’s just weren’t built for this.

Most favorite: Isuzu Rodeo. A really good car. Reliable and nice to drive.

Least favorite: Jeep Wrangler. Terrible quality. I had a constant variety of mechanical problems with it.

I’ve owned 3 cars:

1991 Volvo 240 - was my mom’s, parents essentially gave it to me. It was slow, heavy, way underpowered, and had a pretty rough ride, but it was reliable as hell, got good gas mileage, and built like a tank. I had saved up enough money to buy a car of my own, but I vowed to keep driving the Volvo until it died. I stopped changing the oil or doing any other maintenance on it at all, besides refilling the wiper fluid and putting gas in it, but it just kept going. Eventually, after a solid 3 years of treating it like shit and it not dying, I gave up and bought a

2003 Ford Crown Victoria LX - drove like a champ for about 4 years, then some fuckwit talking on his cell phone rear ended me while I was stopped at a red light and the insurance company totaled it. I only had 3 payments left. I was out of work at the time and used the settlement (I got over $8000 out of it) to live on. Eventually I got another job and saved up enough after a couple years to buy a

2004 Ford Crown Victoria LX - what can I say, I liked my Crown Vic and I felt like I had been robbed of my full allotment of enjoyment from it, so I found and bought essentially the same car.

If I had to pick a favorite, I would have to go with the 2003 Crown Vic. It was a nice baby blue (2004 is a very bleh silver), and had a handy overhead compartment where the 2004 does not. Other than that the two are identical.

I did love that Volvo, though. Wish I had kept it. I’ve looked into buying another, but it seems the people who still own one have decided at this point they’re just going to hold on to it; I haven’t seen one for sale in my area for years.

You answered your own question. Once the engine inevitably blew you replaced it with a satisfactory engine.

The light-truck diesel engines and the car diesel engines were completely different.

Anyway, since I’ve busted your chops and contributed nothing useful otherwise, I’ll throw mine in.

Favorite car: 2002 Honda Accord EX manual. I recently bought it after my Geo Prizm of the same approximate age threw a connecting rod (in its Toyota engine, the Prizm and Corolla were NUMMI-mobiles) It has some very minor issues, but it’s a used car. Otherwise it was well-maintained, the clutch engagement is smooth with no slippage, and it constitutes a huge step up from what I’ve been driving for the last decade.

Least favorite: 2000 Geo Prizm. As a Corolla clone you would expect it to be a good car. It was not. Whoever owned it before me put in some serious work, the car was clapped out before I ever got it. The price was right and it served its purpose. Otherwise, garbage.

I haven’t owned that many cars in my life. I’ll put them all in graded order:

2002 Honda Accord
1993 Ford Escort (also manual)
1986 Chevrolet Cavalier station wagon (car inherited from my mother)
2002 Chevrolet Cavalier (only new car, several QC problems)
2004 Chevrolet Classic (1st-gen Malibu fleet special)
2000 Geo Prizm

Favorite: my very first car that I bought with my own money was a very used baby blue '65 Mustang convertible4 on the floor with some honkin big engine that ate oil and had a suitably loud exhaust system. It finally died when I took a corner too fast and the engine fell off the rusted mounts! :smiley: High times!

2nd favorite: Karmann Ghia bright taxi yellow (again bought with my own money and not very well researched). Drove it til the trannie finally fell apart and pushed it to a nearby used car lot.

Least favorite: the boxy Corvair my parents bought as a second car and let me drive.

I test drove one. It had negative acceleration.:eek:

Cars I’ve owned:
1989 VW Fox: fun to drive
1992 and 1995 Ford Escort Wagons: Good hauling, fun to drive
Current vehicle: 1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Only downside is the gas mileage(14mph)