Heh, that wasn’t at you, just a general comment. It was more in agreement with Masterblaster’s description of the guy getting into the lat pulldown backward! 
PS cmosdes, NOT cmsdr…argh! And I just got new readers too!
Ahhh…I believe you have run into one of the rare Extreme Treadmill Enthusiasts.
This rare breed pushes the treadmill envelope. Not content to merely run or walk on the treadmill, they flirt with disaster!
Yes, the Extreme Treadmill Enthusiasts. The suspense! The danger! Will they become so exhausted they cannot keep up and go to their bloody demise? Will they reach up to wipe off some sweat and do a facepant into the treadmill? If nature calls, will they be able to slow the treadmill down without risking a limb? How many hours will they spend trying to get all that blood off the treadmill anyway?
Extreme Treadmilling - all the thrills of walking on a treadmill, combined with the suspense of using stationary heavy machinery at high rates!
Running, on an incline or not, doesn’t really build muscles. Muscles are built by giving your muscles ever increasing strain, while running is a constant strain. Running will get your muscles strong enough to run, and not much stronger, and most people’s leg muscles are strong enough to run without ever actually going to a gym or running for exercise.
As far as “the fat burning zone” goes, yes, there is a range of heart rates where you get more of your energy from burning fat rather than the glycogen stored in your muscle, but if you burn off all the glycogen in your muscles from getting your heart rate higher than the fat burning zone, what energy is your muscles going to use to replenish its glycogen stores? burning fat.
As far as Blaster Master’s anecdote about running hard, not losing weight, and getting worse at running, I’m going to guess he was eating at too severe a calorie deficit. He wasn’t losing weight because his metabolism was in starvation mode, and he got worse at running because his metabolism was in starvation mode, giving him less energy, and his body might have been cannibalizing his muscles for energy.
As far as the thread topic goes, if someone isn’t going to hurt themselves, I’d let them be.
Tell ya what, sparky, why don’t you do a quick google search on weight loss guidelines, and see if you can find ANY that tell you that a good workout is to crank the treadmill up to 25 incline and hold on. See if you can find ONE magazine that suiggests it, or ONE personal trainer who might suggest it.
I never suggested everyone has to do as much research as I do, I am connected to the internet all day for my job and have plenty of spare minutes to read articles, etc. But my point, which you continue to miss, is that with only a few minutes of research, some of which could be done while exercising, you won’t find any advice telling you to use the treadmill in the way i have described, and in fact will find valuable advice which will result in a good, productive workout.
Are you seriously suggesting that getting exercise, even if it isn’t ideal, is a bad idea?
I’m not missing your point. But your point meaningless to your OP. Again… why do you even care?
I would have to side with **cmosdes ** here on this. Yes, people can google all kinds of information about working out on the internet and about half of it contradicts the other half. It isn’t like there is clear consensus on many weight loss/training stuff out there.
Do you increase the incline on a treadmill when running to simulate an outdoor run? There are valid arguments on both sides of that question. Do you do cardio before or after weight exercises or do you even work strength exercises the same day as cardio? Is walking for 10 minutes 3 times a day the same as walking 30 minutes at a time? Is walking better then running or is the stair master better or is the elliptical? Is it better to do multiple lifts of medium weights or smaller lifts with more weight? Is it better to go faster or slower on a lift? Pause at the end or do a smooth motion?
There obviously are tons more. So what is a newbie to do? How does he/she work this all out? Isn’t it better for them to be ‘at’ the gym doing something and eventually they will figure out what works for them? I can tell you that what works for you likely will not work for me. I have to find my own motivation and that comes from within.
I understand your frustration–but I personally get more frustrated with the guy walking very very slow on the treadmill talking on his cell phone in front of the fucking fan. I love the fan when I am running, but this guy is hogging my air. But you know what–he paid his dues just like I did, so I suck it up and either do my run later or do it without the air. But I also find that I get a better workout because I am pissed off.
Maybe you should channel some of that crazy?
I’m trying to picture what an efficiency manor would look like. Probably the Great Hall would convert to a ballroom, and the Music Room could also be the gallery, with a portrait of the Master of the House painted on the underside of the lid on the concert grand piano, and portraits of the notable ancestors on the backs of the music stands. The kitchen would also be the scullery, one garden would do for both fresh vegetables and flowers, and the gamekeeper would heve his cottage in the orchard (which, incidentally, is where the hunting and shooting activities would take place).
The polo grounds could double as a golf course, with judicious use of plugs in the greens, so the ponies don’t risk breaking their legs. The Library and Trophy Rooms could be consolidated, of course, as could Milady’s sewing room and the Nursery.
One cellar, for both Roots and Wine. And behind the green baize door, rather than an entire wing for the staff, a broom closet. With a day bed, in case the Master or one of his guests needs to indulge in a discreet assignation.
You know what? As long as you wipe the equipment down after you use it, I couldn’t give a damn how you use it.