[QUOTE=Idlewild]
Heh. Your child being hetero is no guarantee that they will reproduce.
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Perhaps, but at least the option is there. In fact, parents may react with similar upset/disappointment if a “hetero” child told them “There is absolutely no way I’m ever going to make babies” and meant it.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
You can adopt, but it’s still not your kid.
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If this is how you really feel, please…never adopt.
[QUOTE=jayjay]
If this is how you really feel, please…never adopt.
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I wouldn’t. I want to have my own kid.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
We like to reproduce because it’s our main function.
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Maybe it’s your main function but it’s not mine; I’m a human, not cattle.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
You can adopt, but it’s still not your kid.
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Any animal can pop out a biological offspring; it takes a human to raise a human child. It’s the non-genetic parts of reproduction that make a family.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Perhaps, but at least the option is there.
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Ah, so you think homosexuals aren’t bright enough to figure out how to have kids ? All being homosexual means is they won’t have kids by accident, which I consider a good thing.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
In fact, parents may react with similar upset/disappointment if a “hetero” child told them “There is absolutely no way I’m ever going to make babies” and meant it.
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If they disown their child over it, they are scum just like the ones who do so over homosexuality.
I agree with Priceguy; if they had ever done something like that, I’d have chopped off all relations with them.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Perhaps, but at least the option is there.
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The option is still there. Barring any medical issues, homosexuals can have biological kiddos just as well as the straight folk. Sperm and vaginas can be borrowed for that purpose, so having a same-sex husband or wife doesn’t keep someone from reproducing.
And except in a biological sense, saying an adopted kid isn’t “your kid” betrays a misunderstanding of what a family really is.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Well, it means you’re saying you won’t reproduce. We like to reproduce because it’s our main function. It kind of ends the family’s future survival, and that’s something people care about.
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Uh, yeah, sure, if you say so. Not everyone is meant to reproduce, shithead.
You’re an asshole.
Oh and by the way, about this :
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
You can adopt, but it’s still not your kid.
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I suggest you try saying that with adoptive parents, and see what response you get. I’d advise staying out of arm’s reach, however.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Are there other family members you care about? Would breaking ALL ties with one family member hurt others, even if they understand your reasons?
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Yes, it would. I’d do it anyway. If it weren’t somebody in my immediate family, there wouldn’t be that big of a problem. At birthdays of those in my immediate family and suchlike, I’d simply visit them on another date, or come only when the offending party wasn’t. At birthdays of other relatives, I’d probably stop going. My paternal grandparents divorced at some point prior to 1970 (I was born in 1977 so I’m not sure of the exact date) and from then on never appeared at family gatherings together. We rotated them - is it grandma’s or grandpa’s turn to come?
Now, if it were somebody in my immediate family, it is of course more difficult. But trust me when I say that I’d rather stop seeing my entire family, than keep seeing the kind of unmitigated asshole we’re talking about here.
But first and foremost, there’s nothing complicated about it. Difficult, hard, painful, yes. Not complicated.
I’m fortunate, because this will probably never happen to me for several reasons. It’s not at all certain that I ever enter into another relationship. If I do, it’s not at all certain that relationship will be with a male. And if it is, I don’t think anyone in my family has the balls to say something like that to me, now that my grandfather is dead. If someone does, fuck them. I’m out of there.
[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
The option is still there. Barring any medical issues, homosexuals can have biological kiddos just as well as the straight folk. Sperm and vaginas can be borrowed for that purpose, so having a same-sex husband or wife doesn’t keep someone from reproducing.
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Exactly. Why people keep bringing up the kids thing in discussions about homosexuality is beyond me.
I feel that raising a child is a great and wonderful thing, irrregardless of how you come by that child (unless it’s snatching them out of the shopping cart in the grocery store. That’s just tacky. At least dress up like a clown first, for the movie-of-the-week value).
An adopted kid raised by good people is a family just as much as a biological kid. However, I also feel that some people shouldn’t or don’t want to have kids. That’s your choice. Everyone should have the oppertunity, though, provided they’re fit to do so (by which I mean they’re not total bastards in some respect).
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Maybe it’s your main function but it’s not mine; I’m a human, not cattle.
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OK. So what is your main function?
Yes. And I want to raise the one that pops out of the woman I impregnated. Some don’t accept that responsibility, and give their kids up for others to adopt and raise them. That’s fine. But it’s still not your kid.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
Ah, so you think homosexuals aren’t bright enough to figure out how to have kids ?
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I don’t think anything about homosexuals. That comment was a response to Love Rhombus, saying he/she wonders why a parent would be upset about their child’s confessed homosexuality. I theorized a parent may be equally upset if a child simply said they weren’t going to reproduce, ever, regardless of perceived orientation.
[QUOTE=SkipMagic]
The option is still there. Barring any medical issues, homosexuals can have biological kiddos just as well as the straight folk. Sperm and vaginas can be borrowed for that purpose
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True. But that also means half the chromosomes are being borrowed too. Kind of like renting an apartment with a roommate - you get a place to stay, but you have to share everything with someone you hardly know.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Uh, yeah, sure, if you say so. Not everyone is meant to reproduce, shithead.
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I never said you had to. I promise I won’t reproduce with you. 
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
I suggest you try saying that with adoptive parents, and see what response you get. I’d advise staying out of arm’s reach, however.
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Why? I’m not trying to discourage anyone from adopting. I don’t think it would come as a surprise to adoptive parents that their children did not spring from their loins. I’m just saying that’s the way it is.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
I wouldn’t. I want to have my own kid.
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Thank God for all the children with different genes than yours who will get a parent who doesn’t judge their worth on whether his sperm had something to do with their conception, then.
Just for the record, because I think any time a five-year-old says something an adult can learn from, it deserves preserving:
One of the young men who were my wards as teens married the cousin of another of them. I was a frequent visitor at their home. When he met her, she was already pregnant by a charming but very amoral and sociopathic guy, a non-close friend of my boys, whom she had the common sense to ditch. Mike accepted Kyle, the baby boy that resulted, and treated him with the same love and discipline as the children he fathered later. They did not keep Kyle’s parentage a secret from him.
His wife and I both kept up on the ill-starred life of the boy’s father-by-blood. One day when I was visiting, she was telling me about his latest stupid move, and I started to respond and noticed the boy looking on. I said something like, “That’s your daddy, Kyle.” Kyle looked at me with his best “grownups can be so dumb” expression and said, “No, he’s my father.” Pointing at Mike and with a big proud smile on his face, he added, “That’s* my Daddy!”
[QUOTE=Polycarp]
Thank God for all the children with different genes than yours who will get a parent who doesn’t judge their worth on whether his sperm had something to do with their conception, then.
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So the record is straight (no pun intended) - I don’t think any less of a child’s worth who was not conceived by me. I’m just not going to commit to raising them.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
You can adopt, but it’s still not your kid.
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I’d like to pass on a hearty FUCK YOU for this one.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Well, it means you’re saying you won’t reproduce. We like to reproduce because it’s our main function. It kind of ends the family’s future survival, and that’s something people care about.
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I’m confused, since when is reproduction a barrier for Lesbians. I understand it is harder for Gay Men but there is very little barrier for Lesbians. I find your argument poorly thought out.
So I take it you prefer incest? Otherwise half the chromosomes are suppose to come from outside the family.
Jim
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
OK. So what is your main function?
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Who says we have one? We’re not machines. We’re not built. We’re not designed. We’re just here, the way we are. Now we get to do what we want. Great, isn’t it?
Ever heard of anyone getting the Fionn treatment because they said they’d never have kids? I haven’t.
This is just stupid. Who said it had to be someone you “hardly know”? For example, I have an arrangement with the former Pricegal, now a lesbian; the day she is in a steady relationship I’ll be the father of her children. I don’t think we know anyone on this Earth better than we know each other.
And even if it is an anonymous sperm donor or something, who the fuck cares? The blood thing is so fifteenth century. It means nothing. But still, some people are upset that the Crown Princess of Sweden is allowed to marry a commoner instead of perpetuating the proud royal tradition of inbreeding until every royal family consists entirely of hemophiliacs with webbed feet, so I guess there are still people who care about the pointless stuff.
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
I’m confused, since when is reproduction a barrier for Lesbians. I understand it is harder for Gay Men but there is very little barrier for Lesbians. I find your argument poorly thought out.
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Two lesbians can’t reproduce. Yes, they can borrow sperm to get pregnant, but the point is that it’s someone else’s sperm.
Outside the family, yes. But I like to get to know the people I plan to impregnate a little first. I wouldn’t want half of my child to come from the last person strapped for cash to be surfing craigslist.
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Two lesbians can’t reproduce. Yes, they can borrow sperm to get pregnant, but the point is that it’s someone else’s sperm.
Outside the family, yes. But I like to get to know the people I plan to impregnate a little first. I wouldn’t want half of my child to come from the last person strapped for cash to be surfing craigslist.
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Do you really think that is how it works? What makes you think they don’t talk to a friend and get help. I have heard of the Partner that is not planning to get pregnant getting her brother to contribute. That should take care of the chromosome dilemma for you quite well.
I also wonder if this means you are not only apparently against gays and adoption but also any couple that makes use of sperm donors?
Jim
[QUOTE=Rigamarole]
Outside the family, yes. But I like to get to know the people I plan to impregnate a little first. I wouldn’t want half of my child to come from the last person strapped for cash to be surfing craigslist.
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You really are a jackass, aren’t you?
My cousin moved as far away from her family as she could get and still be in the US. I honestly had no idea til we were all at a funeral a few years ago that she was gay and really don’t care. I am a Christian church going woman and I figure that if that is what she is, then God Made her that way and who am I to love her any less. When I hear preachers thumping on the book and calling names, I try to remember all the times God’s word has been used to support all sorts of unsavory viewpoints. Wars, slavery, hatred etc. What really surprised me was the love and support from our small town heavy religious aunt, who was so excited about cousin and her “partner” coming to visit. I was quite pleasantly surprised.