I’m afraid then you’ll have to live without the satisfaction. 
No problem. You’re the guy who’ll have to live with having made a fool of himself.
If they follow an evil God, are they not evil themselves ?
You get no argument from me on that.
That was What Exit.
This is a pertinent point. If a person was raised in a strict environment without a chance to become educated about the world, they would be more suceptible to belieiving what they were told. I notice that a majority of the people I’m thinking about are older, not very literate folks.
You could acknowledge that “abandon” and “forsake” have negative connotations and are incorrectly applied to people who place their biological children with adoptive families.
To everybody rightfully insulted, annoyed or pissed off at idiot-boy Rigamarole; keep in mind that was born during the second half of the Reagan administration. He’s still young and there’s hope that he’ll grow-up and learn a little about what family really means.
Someone else mentioned (or maybe it was you, earlier) that my use of the term(s) somehow implied that I thought people who give their children up for adoption were “bad”, and I assure you that’s not the case, as I don’t think anyone is bad or good. However, I don’t necessarily agree that it’s the wrong term - at least in the case of the girl I was personally involved with, she was very literally abandoned, any way you want to slice it. I realize that’s not the typical case.
But it is still a relinquishment of a responsibility that one person started and then gave over to another (for whatever reason, under whatever cirucmstances), and the point I was trying to make is that I don’t want to support that behavior by taking over others’ responsibilities. I understand there are a host of reasons why a person may decide to give up a child, and even though they made a mistake that child still needs a home. But I don’t want to contribute to making people think there will ever be an easy way out once they’ve gone through with creating a child. (incidentally, I do support abortion as it’s the best way to prevent a mistake from becoming worse as soon as it’s realized - but let’s not get on too much of a tangent here)
Glad you could bring age into this unnecessarily.
When you say “I don’t want to contribute to making people think there will ever be an easy way out”, it suggests you feel like you have some moral responsiblity towards shaping other people’s charecters, which frankly strikes me as odd.
Furthermore, I think the “responsibility” of having a child is that you maximize the chances that child has to grow up happy, healthy, and content. If the best way to maximize those chances are to place that child in a family more capable of providing those things than you are, it is fufilling your reponsibilities to do so. I don’t see how keeping a child in a situation more likely to be filled with hardship and a lack of opportunity can be seen as more responsible.
Their behaviour can be evil, at the very least. A sad thing about organized religion is that it can convince people that evil acts are O.K. It’s kinda like somone said earlier, they’ve forgotten about the “All Forvgiving” part.
I think you’re right that it was unnecessary to bring age into the discussion.
I don’t agree with Homebrew’s observation, because many of your remarks in this thread are too stupid to be excused even by age.
Well, if that’s the way you feel, fine. But don’t bitch then when people feel these views make you an asshole.
I don’t. My goal is to make sure we understand each other, and as long as that is achieved, I’m happy. Thank you. 
I think bringing age into it might just work in your favour. Most of us have some kind of life experience before we start spouting off. Knowing that you’re still young means that some people might cut you some slack.
I, the wife of someone who was adopted, and mother to a child who was adopted by my husband, will not be one of those people.
Rigamarole, with thier tangent on adoption, has introduced a hijack into this thread, and it should stop. Perhaps if we refuse to answer the foolish barbs that they have been throwing out then this derailment of the thread can cease and we can get back to proper responses, answering the OP’s issues and difficulties.
It was a suggestion, as you are seconding here (perhaps unintentionally) that I have no life experience (which is not true), and therefore anything I say is discredited. I don’t need nor want anyone to “cut me some slack”.
It’s a strangely apropos hijack, as I’m also an adoptee. On Thursday, Mom called early to say that if I were my dad’s flesh and blood, he would have an easier time accepting this. Somehow, I’d been just as good as flesh and blood up until this.
Rigamarole, you’re an ass.
Then why do you keep ignoring my statements and responding to others instead? Again, do you 1) really think it’s your job to encourage responsible behavoir in people you have never met and 2) really think it’s an irresponsible act to place a child in a situation where the care and opportunities it recieves will, in all likelyhood, be superior to the ones you can offer?
I find these views (especially the latter) so illogical that I have trouble understanding them.
Encourage responsible behavior? Yes. I do encourage responsible behavior in all people, because when a person behaves irresponsibly, it inevitably affects many others (most importantly, me :)) negatively.
No. But you have created a burden for someone else. If that someone else happens to be smart and strong enough they can turn that burden into a blessing, but they shouldn’t have to. It’s their own choice. (Luckily, there are some people who just aren’t capable of having children, so it can certainly work out well)
Don’t sweat it too much. Mom’s grasping for things to hurt you with. Even though my mom was very religious, when she was really angry she’d say “God damn you! I will never forget this, and I will never forgive you!”
But a week later she had no idea what she’d invoked God to damn us for, or what it was she wasn’t going to ever forgive or forget.