You’re saying that there are just ship owners sitting around on Tatooine willing to ferry people to other planets in exchange for cash? Preposterous!
I picture Obi Wan telling Luke that they can get a pilot at Mos Eisley and muttering under his breath (Just like I suggested 20 years ago, but noooo, we should go with putting the toddler in a death-race… yeah, great plan… Qui Gon Jerk).
Qui-Gon Gin is more like it. Like the reviewer in the RedLetterMedia review says, everything Qui-Gon does in the movie makes more sense if you imagine that he’s drunk.
Then again, if someone as annoying as Little Orphan Annie actually WANTS to play in trafic, you’re going to be inclined to let him. I’m only surprised he didn’t talk Jar Jar into standing in front of the air intakes while Junior was tuning up his engines.
Note that Yoda’s extremely long stay on the Council, & his vast influence on the individual Jedis, was a mistake. Command decisions became calcified & predictable. And that’s just what several generations of Sith did; watched, learned & predicted.
Wisecrack, or wisecrack not. There is no try.
…and for those wondering about the Cereans, mentioned upthread: Cerean | Wookieepedia | Fandom
Or, so was dogma in the Old Republic era.
The dogma that led to the fall of the Jedi Order and the Republic.
It was the rise of Luke Skywalker - over-emotional and highly melodramatic, the complete opposite of what the old Order’s leaders thought was ‘correct’ - that allowed the return of the Jedi and the founding of the New Republic.
By the time the Skywalker twins were adults, in fact, even Yoda had given up on the whole ‘suppress emotions’ thing.
And Clerical Celibacy and Chastity is a major dogma of the Catholic Church. But reforming that wouldn’t make the Church not the Church any more. It’d just be reformed. As it has been dozens, if not hundreds of times over the last ~2000 years.
It’s been said repeatedly: It wasn’t that dogma that led to the fall of the Order, it was the Order’s refusal to follow its own rules.
i’m pretty sure all of us given that much power would pull a pappy in a heartbeat. a kernel of common sense, unlimited power, and an entire GALAXY at our disposal? talk about absolute power corrupting absolutely…
Encourage large amounts of commitment free, casual sex among the Jedi and cultivate a One Large Family mentality that allows the Force Strong to breed among themselves and create future Jedi. Children are raised by the Mother to age 4, then turned over to the Order for further raising and education.
Sort of the Psi-Corps of Jedi, only without the black gloves and Evil.
If you think that disconnects them from society too much, I would argue that damage is already being done by taking them in as small children to be trained, separating them from their families. They are already taught that the Jedi are their family. Let’s just get rid of the monastic anti-sex elements and, as I have said before, since the Force runs in blood lines, encourage those bloodlines to continue, intermix and create stronger Jedi rather than committing the foolishness of removing every force potential from the gene pool. That is the way of extinction for the Jedi.
All of these are good. The third is essential.
Of course, the real explanation for all the force strong kids being born all over the place is easy.
They take them in and train them as kids. Imagine 14-16 year old boys (little more than walking erections at that age) able to influence the minds of young women. NO WAY they’re not using that ability.
Except, in the movies, it WAS Anakin falling in love with Queen Amadala and worrying about her and her pregnancy that turned him evil. Because he loved her, he put her safety ahead of what was good for the Republic and the Jedi Order. He saved Palpatine because he was convinced that Palpatine knew Sith magic to protect her.
I would also increase the tempo of training. Clearly when one geriatric Sith can eat four so called masters for breakfast, somethings amiss and you cannot blame that on the Dark Side of the force.
Sooner or later, I’d embrace the dark side. It looks more fun.
No, it wasn’t.
It was because the Jedi Order were telling him ‘love is bad’, which he knew to be nonsense.
Palpatine could not have used Shmi and Padme to manipulate Anakin if not for the Order’s dismissal of all things sapient.
If Yoda and the Council had bought and freed Shmi when Anakin was taken in, given his wedding his blessing, and told him to go spend time with his wife when she was approaching birth, Palpatine would have been powerless to do a damn thing.
Bringing Balance to the Force ended up being a violent destruction of the old Jedi Order and Sith Order, with a new Jedi Order rising from the ashes - one clear of the mistakes of the original.
What I’d do is, you know that thing Gibbs does in NCIS of smacking his subordinates in the back of their head when they fuck up or get out of line? I’d be doing that to Yoda, Calgon Jim, Mace Windu and the rest of the gang at headquarters whenever they came up with something lard-brained like, “Hey, we left his mom enslaved on the planet, not enough money, sorrreee,” or “Who gives a flip where it came from? We got a clone army!” And send them back out to do things right.
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Palpatine couldn’t have used Shmi and Padme to manipulate Anakin if not for the fact that he loved them. The mistake the Council made about Shmi wasn’t that they didn’t free her; it was that they took an apprentice who was old enough to remember his mother anyway. Remember, her death didn’t have anything to do with her being a slave. She was free and happily married when she was killed by the sand people. And even if the Jedi Council had thrown Padme a bridal and baby shower, Anakin still would have been worried about her health and her baby.
You don’t need the “without the black gloves & evil” part there. If the mothers have no say in whether the children are taken away from them, the whole project is evil at the root.