Zack Snyder Justice League cut

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Watched it yesterday and here are some notes I took while watching.

Wait, isn’t Princess Buttercup/Jenny gump WW’s mom?
Why go through the whole “sealing the cave” bit and dooming your amazons when there’s a hole in the roof and the bad guys fly?
Dafoe saying “take up your mother’s trident” and throwing down a pentadent.
Dafoe’s wig is bad.
If the amazons and atlanteans are guarding the cubes from baddies, why are the all facing the cubes?
The fights underwater, physics doesn’t work like that.
The dude’s name is Steppenwolf? Like the band? Was the band named after him?
Commissioner J.Jonah Jameson.
Why was the janitor mopping a grate floor?
Steppenwolf looks just like Thanos.
Batman’s planes always suck. Even in the first Batman movie, Nicholson takes it down with a hand gun.
Amy Adams is a bad choice for Lois.

At this point, I got a little bit stoned, the movie was dragging.

The slow sinking photo at Supe’s revival was soooo heavy handed.
Fight between Supe and Flash. You can’t jump and come down fast. I’ll suspend disbelief, but come on.
Steppenwolf has a loin cloth.
Once again, Batman’s planes suck.
Flash is really awkward running.
Lex Luthor =Zuckerberg. And wasn’t there a scene towards the beginning with Zuckerberg and Steppenwolf? What was that about?

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No, Robin Wright played Antiope, the Amazon general, Queen’s right hand, and Wonder Woman’s mentor. Her mother is Queen Hippolyta, played by Connie Nielsen. Granted, they do look fairly similar in the Amazon get-up.

It looks cool? You’re right, that didn’t actually make any sense.

The Mother Boxes (the cubes) are themselves dangerous, and they open portals (“boom tubes”) to the bad guy planet (“Apokalips”). The guards face the cubes because they’re expecting any threat to either be coming directly from the Mother Boxes themselves or be emerging from boom tubes opening around the Mother Boxes.

“Steppenwolf” is the German word for “steppe wolf” or coyote. Both the band and the comic book creator Jack Kirby just thought it sounded cool. The band did come first, so it’s possible that’s where Kirby got the name from.

Grates get dirty too?

Prolific comic book creator and artist Jack Kirby created the character Darkseid in 1970 for DC Comics. Jim Starlin, another well-known artist and creator, created a very similar character for Marvel in 1973, Thanos. The Steppenwolf we see in the movie bears no resemblance at all to the comics version (who is just a guy with a goatee and a funky outfit), but seems visually based on Darkseid. Darkseid came first in the comics, but Thanos appeared first in movies. It might be more accurate to say that both Thanos and the DCEU’s Steppenwolf look just like Darkseid.

In both Batman v. Superman and Justice League there were a lot of hints that Lex Luthor had prior contact with Apokolips - he might have opened the human MotherBox - and that’s what drove him mad. That might also be what originally prompted Steppenwolf’s arrival. But those are only hints and fanspec. Neither movie makes it clear what actually happened.

We know from Batman’s flash-forward future visions that in at least one timeline, Darkseid conquers Earth. Apparently, Zack Snyder’s over-arching meta-plot was for all of the DCEU movies to eventually lead up to that literally apocalyptic confrontation, with hints and allusions throughout the lead-up movies. Presumably, if that project went forward, we’d eventually find out more about Luthor’s role and relationship with Apokalips.

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And of course the 1927 novel by Hermann Hesse preceded them both.

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That’s interesting. Lots more slow-mo shots for sure, but does it improve the story? Haven’t seen either, enjoyed the first WW movie, but the DC movies have not been nearly as successful as the Marvel ones. Does it matter how you edit the movie if the story was only mediocre to begin with?

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I’d rate the Snyder Cut as, at best, a 4 out of 10. The original was a 2 or a 3.

The thing is, as boring as this was, it is the only example I can think of offhand of a “director’s cut” being better than the theatrical cut. So far as I’ve seen up to this point every “director’s cut” is living proof that directors need editors.

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Princess Buttercup, that is, Robin Wright, played General Antiope, who was killed 100 years ago. Hippolyta, Diana’s mother, is played by Connie Nielsen.

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Brazil?

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Zack should never be let near anything to do with superheroes again.

This is horrible news.

That is your opinion, I thought it was a POS.

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Right. Whedons film would have been fun and great to watch.

Zack’s film would have been dark and the heroes would have suffered.

Either would have made money.

The frankenstein monster was OK, it was watchable, but it suffered from being neither persons work. It almost broken even, it certainly will with DVD sales etc, so it wasnt as much of a bomb as people claim, but it was lackluster.

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And in the same vein, maybe Blade Runner. Controversial, but I prefer the no voice-over, no happy ending version.

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Will Smith turned in a solid performance. Margot Robbie was fun and dead on (except they seemed to forget Harley has no super powers at all), but the plot was stupid beyond belief and The Joker shouldnt have been in there at all.

Not a “gimme my money back” film, but I watched it once- never again, film.

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A couple of notes:

I think this satirical article from Cracked is pretty spot on:

Also, there is for some reason a third cut of the movie now on HBO Max, Zack Snyder’s Justice League: Justice is Gray, which is identical to Zack Snyder’s Justice League, except that it’s in black and white, because apparently any color, even if it’s super-desaturated, is just too much color in the Snyderverse.

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just tell me - did they make the format fit only a 19" B&W tv from the 60s? or will there still be black bars on that one too?

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It was shot in IMAX format which is basically 4:3.

So, yeah it looks good on old CRT screens or giant IMAX screens.

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Finished it.

So I’ve been able to search on line and read up on who The Martian Manhunter is, but -

Why was it important to him for Lois to go back to work?

Why was Martha Kent pulling up to the old property that she had to leave?

Why didn’t Lois do any double take at her being there when The Manhunter as Martha had told her about where she moved to?

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Separate - does DC have plans for new movies now? If so where Whedon and Snyder versions diverge whose is canon?0

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Officially, the Whedon version is the “real” canon, although apparently there’s now a new petition to make more movies that are direct sequels to the new version, and not Whedon’s. I suspect that, going forward, it’s going to be a very loose canon, where some films are ostensibly in the same universe, but without a lot of care about cross-franchise continuity, like the Wonder Woman films which are technically in continuity, but just straight up ignore stuff established in other films, like her not doing any superheroics for eighty years after the end of WWI. Plus, a lot more stuff like Joker and the recently announced Black Superman movie, which are their own continuity not connected to any other movies.

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There are at least six versions of Blade Runner.

The one that most resembles a director’s cut in the sense that Ridley Scott says it’s the right version is the 2007 version, which has the extended unicorn dream sequence - which IIRC wasn’t even filmed for Blade Runner, it’s leftover footage from Scott’s movie “Legend.” In my opinion that’s the WORST of all the versions; making Deckard a replicant ruins the point of the movie.

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The Suicide Squad is already being advertised; this is where James Gunn took refuge after he got “fired” from Guardians of the Galaxy. The Shazam! sequel is in the works, as well as the Black Adam spinoff. Aquaman 2 is in development while The Flash movie is still in development hell. I haven’t heard what happened to The Batman movie starring Robert Pattinson rather than Ben Affleck.

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Both the Flash and Battinson movies have scheduled release dates next year. The Batman is done filming entirely.

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The Flash movie has had a couple of release dates that have come and gone. It’s supposed to be based on Flashpoint, but do they even have a script?